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Old 10-19-2020, 03:10 PM
 
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Remember when the RCP agg was 2.2 in 2016 and Trump won it by 8.1?
Remember when the RCP agg in Iowa in 2016 was 3.0 and Trump won by 9.5?
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:10 PM
 
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Obviously you haven't done your homework.

538 has had Trump LOSING Ohio until just the past couple of days.

Were you unaware of this?
Based almost entirely on D- Survey Monkey polls. It's the worst-rated pollster on 538 and is responsible for 20 of the 30 polls from Ohio this month so far. Only 3 polls have been taken in Ohio from pollsters ranked an A or B. The results for those were Biden +2, Biden +1 and Even.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:12 PM
 
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As the other poster pointed out, though, it appears I was wrong about how close Ohio is. I thought Trump would have had a 3%+ advantage there, but it's more like .5%. That is definitely a swing state. In fact, the only pollster to have Trump up in Ohio is Trafalgar....which is a controversial pollster.....to say the least.
Other polls have Trump up, but all of them are ranked C or lower. There have been relatively few high-quality polls in Ohio this year.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:16 PM
 
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Remember when the RCP agg was 2.2 in 2016 and Trump won it by 8.1?
The RCP average was Trump +3.5, not 2.2. The 4.6 point difference is not significantly outside the margin of error on most polling, and within it on some.

Also, assuming that the polling was off by a similar amount now- that would put Trump at about 5 points in the state. As Ohio wouldn't exist outside of a vacuum in the national picture overall, that 3-point movement away from Trump would have implications on other swing states that were far closer in 2016- such as Pennsylvania and Florida.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:23 PM
 
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Based almost entirely on D- Survey Monkey polls. It's the worst-rated pollster on 538 and is responsible for 20 of the 30 polls from Ohio this month so far. Only 3 polls have been taken in Ohio from pollsters ranked an A or B. The results for those were Biden +2, Biden +1 and Even.
Then why does Nate Bronze have Ohio to Trump right now?
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:24 PM
 
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I see Biden winning by 2 electoral votes (13 if he takes AZ). That is with giving DT FL, AZ and OH which may not happen.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/N1gBd
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:25 PM
 
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The RCP average was Trump +3.5, not 2.2. The 4.6 point difference is not significantly outside the margin of error on most polling, and within it on some.

Also, assuming that the polling was off by a similar amount now- that would put Trump at about 5 points in the state. As Ohio wouldn't exist outside of a vacuum in the national picture overall, that 3-point movement away from Trump would have implications on other swing states that were far closer in 2016- such as Pennsylvania and Florida.
Nope, it was 2.2:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5634.html

And you'd better consult your friend regarding MOE's and aggregates.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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I see Biden winning by 2 electoral votes (13 if he takes AZ). That is with giving DT FL, AZ and OH which may not happen.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/N1gBd

Biden will not win PA
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:28 PM
 
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Biden will win without OH (where DT has been leading by a hair), assuming polls are accurate and after 2016, I don't put much faith in them.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/N1gBd
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Biden will not win PA
While I think he will, I also agree that PA is the most likely to go for Trump of the 3 midwestern swing states.
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