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Old 06-30-2008, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Obama to contradict Clark in speech - First Read - msnbc.com

Are we really to believe that the Obama campaign didn't send Clark out to say this stuff?

Just as when the other left-wing haters bring up other outrageous "issues" that are floating out there - are we to believe these "rumors" are not thoroughly endorsed by Obama?
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Welsey Clark... thinks John F Kerry was great based on his war record and his service to be a great president "Democratic Convention 2004".. Yet he looks at McCain and says he is "Untested and Untried" hmmmmm Looks like Clark is working for the Democrats again. No matter I don't care for McCain based on other issues but I wouldn't put to much stock into the words of Mr. Clark when it comes to who is Untested and Untried.
And that's it. That's all you provide that convinces us that Senator McCain is a foreign policy expert worthy of the Presidency? No leadership examples, legislation, policy enacted.....
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And that's it. That's all you provide that convinces us that Senator McCain is a foreign policy expert worthy of the Presidency? No leadership examples, legislation, policy enacted.....
Reams more than Obama. But, of course, his inexperience doesn't bother you. Not one bit.
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:29 PM
 
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Some on left target McCain's war record - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080630/pl_politico/11429 - broken link)

But farther to the left — and among some of McCain's conservative enemies as well — harsher attacks are circulating. Critics have accused McCain of war crimes for bombing targets in Hanoi in the 1960s. A widely read liberal blog on Sunday accused McCain of "disloyalty" during his captivity in Vietnam for his coerced participation in propaganda films and interviews after he’d been tortured.

"A lot of people don't know ... that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity," wrote Americablog.com's John Aravosis. "Putting that bit of disloyalty aside, what exactly is McCain's military experience that prepares him for being commander in chief?"

"Getting shot down, tortured and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience," Aravosis wrote in the blog post, titled "Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?"
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:30 PM
 
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The newsletter CounterPunch published this April an article by Doug Valentine headed "Meet the Real John McCain: North Vietnam's Go-To Collaborator."

Valentine suggested McCain contemplated suicide — something the candidate has written about, and attributed in part to his guilt at not withstanding torture — because he was a "war criminal" whose bombs fell on civilians.

McCain, who sought — along with Sen. John F. Kerry — to debunk claims that Vietnam still held American prisoners into the 1990s, has been attacked in similar terms by leaders of POW/MIA movement, whom he and Kerry cast as charlatans.

That movement has produced the most outlandish attacks on McCain, including widely dismissed and unsubstantiated claims that McCain was not tortured and a smear casting him as a "Manchurian candidate."
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:34 PM
 
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McCain, who sought — along with Sen. John F. Kerry — to debunk claims that Vietnam still held American prisoners into the 1990s, has been attacked in similar terms by leaders of POW/MIA movement, whom he and Kerry cast as charlatans.

That movement has produced the most outlandish attacks on McCain, including widely dismissed and unsubstantiated claims that McCain was not tortured and a smear casting him as a "Manchurian candidate."
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:35 PM
 
Location: PA
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And that's it. That's all you provide that convinces us that Senator McCain is a foreign policy expert worthy of the Presidency? No leadership examples, legislation, policy enacted.....

I never said he was good at any of those either... neither is Obama which why I won't be voting for either of them. :-)
Foreign Policy is a history lesson appears the United States has ignored history and repeats history. You can't afford an Empire forever.
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:36 PM
 
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John McCain blocks investigation of missing POW's and MIA's to save his political career. | polidics.com

the kooks are rampant
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Reams more than Obama. But, of course, his inexperience doesn't bother you. Not one bit.
When you decide to post a thread discussing Senator Obama's experience within the context of/and acknowledgment of the experience he does have, I'll be certain to join in.

In the meantime you've done an excellent job of spinning yourself dizzy without providing one single shred of defense for your candidate regarding his foreign policy expertise and leadership ability in said regard.

Invariably one begins to wonder - Does Senator McCain have any foreign policy expertise worthy of note? Is he a military expert? Why is he running on a foreign policy mantra? Why can't his supporters show us anything worthy of recognition?

~is this the Twilight Zone - haven't we been here before...you'd think those gleeful of others would have learned this lesson and PREPARED~

I'd say you should consider yourselves lucky - there's no microphone and cameras......
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Old 06-30-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yes, I can see that. Clearly.

Obama knows his lack of experience is a detriment to his campaign. They know that a comparison of Obama's and McCain's records' highlights a chasm of enormous proportions between the two.

Anything they can do to tear/smear on McCain's record, they will do, in the hope of building up Obama.

So much for a new kind of politician.
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