It's Wake Up Time For Conservatives. (Colin Powell, security, Democrats, Republicans)
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Let me get this straight... you people are voting based on revenge? Already several of you have said or agreed with that A. Obama was NOT the best democratic candidate B. He understands your anger against the neo-cons.... That is the most un-intelligent reason to vote I have ever heard.... and then you try and say your not being swooned into voting for him???? HA!
I can sympathize with this position and I can even sympathize with where the OP is coming from as I think a good many people feel the same way. The Presidency of George Bush and the brand of Republican it promulgated are why I left the party myself. However, I take issue for the many characterizations and stereotypes used and do not feel it is fair to label an entire group of people as such.
I see what you are saying with leaving the Republican party. I am torn since this is basically a 2 party system in this country and there is no way I could go over to the hypocrisy of the Democratic party, not to mention the extreme liberal whackos who scare the living daylights out of me.
This still points me at the whole "let's just get rid of the party system" idea.
Given that both houses of Congress are controlled by a Democratic majority, to blame the sitting president for all the perceived evils is ridiculous. I am so amazed how many unhappy citizens think that everything that has personally affected their lives (primarily financial) in a negative way is all the fault of President Bush. The legislation that has allowed our economy to tank is a product of Congressional decisions, not those of Bush. To somehow believe that only by electing Sen. Obama will the voice of reason return to our country is delusional, especially in view of his Marxist beliefs about redistrubution of wealth. Do those of you who work hard to improve your lives financially really want to share the results with those who feel no such ambition? If Sen. Obama is elected and Congress remains solidly Democratic, there will be no semblance of a checks and balance system at all. I strongly believe that you need to be careful what you ask for...
For the mere sake of argument, I'll take this rather ill measured indignation to task as best I can.
To begin with you start by using the term "conservative", in which you then list a series of qualities that you associate with what you think a conservative is. To this, I say you are wholly and utterly wrong as well as grossly presumptuous. You may be referring to the more generic term Republican or "right-winger" or something to that effect and maybe even a few conservatives but hardly the whole. When you start out making such a bold statement it would help that you get the definitions and context of that which you are deriding in the proper construct, otherwise you begin under a false premise to which no accurate conclusion can come.
I won't scoff or chide anyone that desires change as change is a good thing when tempered with healthy skepticism and close examination. Change for the mere sake of change as a general argument is folly. Contemporary Republicanism is a failed experiment of wildly assumptive policy born in a think tank by fools proven folly by their results in the Sands of the Middle East and in the halls of Wall Street. Change from this is good, but I see little evidence that Obama will curb the United States government's appetite for spending money it does not have and will borrow from another generation not yet born. Change in words, sure, change in action is yet to be seen and neither you nor I can say with any certainty what the future may hold. I don't believe Obama will be the change many expect, and I hope that I am wrong.
Sure YOU have had enough, so have I, and so have the majority of people but if you wish to issue forth blame, just make sure you place it in the proper box.
If you wish to view others that you have already misidentified to start with as having issues that equate to that of a disease of addiction to which you plan on playing the role of therapist. As a therapist we should be able to assume that such a professional will provide an objective assessment in order to determine the best treatment. As such it would probably be reasonable to recognize that the party you hold so high from the contempt of that which you wish to treat, is also a co conspirator and an enabler of no less than half of those things you hold in such low regard.
I have nothing personal against Obama and in fact I admire his idealistic vision and message of unity and hope, as sometimes there is a time to buy the world a coke. At the same time, vision and hope does not fill empty bellies, fill treasuries, cloth soldiers in the field, or provide warmth in a home on a winters night. Actions do these things, so let us all hope that the vision is a tire that actually meets the road.
I must ask that you and yours do the same and while passing around the adulation earned. As there can be little honor or joy in supporting a visionary man who professes unity and brotherhood while at the same time holding the vanquished in such low esteem, as it only perpetuates the divisiveness you so boldly rally against.
As you look in the mirror with such self pride, remember who also supported and discharged the wars you despise. Remember those cohorts who joined with those you oppose in passing on to future generations a debt that you and I incurred. Remember that two years ago when there was another opportunity for change that required courage of convictions, that no party stood vanguard and opposed these things at the time when America needed them most.
So while I understand how good it must make you feel to see triumph before you on the field, it gives me no pleasure to see that there is little difference in your words than those of the people you deride. Those you tell to look in the mirror, the reflection cast is likely that of yourself.
There seem to be a number of threads on this board authored by conservatives trying desperately to come up with some rationalization about why folks are voting for Obama. They attempt to explain this political phenomenon on people being "snookered," "hood winked," "mesmerized," operating from some sense of white guilt or black racism. Let me help you to understand, the American people are just sick and tired of you folks and that change that you scoff at is exactly what we want and what we demand.
They say that the first step towards recovery is recognition of your problem, so let me help you with that first step. You have come as close as anyone has come in more than 75 years of destroying this country. You have found a way to pit one part of this nation against another, whether it was race, guns, god or abortion, you have used these issues as a cover for the rape of our environment, the wholesale theft of our national wealth, and the squandering of your young peoples lives.
We've had enough.
Barack Obama was the only candidate within the Democratic Party that understood just how fed up with you people we are. Hillary, god bless her, didn't. She hoped to thread the needle with that finesse we have come to associate with the DLC and we rejected it.
Obama was the least "experienced" candidate on the Democratic side but he was the only candidate, black or white, who captured the sentiment of most Americans, at least those with enough sense to see, and wrapped it with a forward looking plan that we could rally around. That is why he is our candidate. He didn't have to sell us, he just had to understand what we want and develop a plan to get us there.
So as election day approaches, look no more for excuses, or exotic rationals, just look at yourselves in the mirror, reread your posts, look at how your thinking has changed this nation for the worst and there you will find the answer of why we want Barack Obama, quite simply, we are just tired of you.
As I remember didn't Obama barely win the primary? One which could have had a different outcome if Florida and Michigan were counted?
Don't pretend like you have any clue how conservatives think.
There seem to be a number of threads on this board authored by conservatives trying desperately to come up with some rationalization about why folks are voting for Obama. They attempt to explain this political phenomenon on people being "snookered," "hood winked," "mesmerized," operating from some sense of white guilt or black racism. Let me help you to understand, the American people are just sick and tired of you folks and that change that you scoff at is exactly what we want and what we demand.
They say that the first step towards recovery is recognition of your problem, so let me help you with that first step. You have come as close as anyone has come in more than 75 years of destroying this country. You have found a way to pit one part of this nation against another, whether it was race, guns, god or abortion, you have used these issues as a cover for the rape of our environment, the wholesale theft of our national wealth, and the squandering of your young peoples lives.
We've had enough.
Barack Obama was the only candidate within the Democratic Party that understood just how fed up with you people we are. Hillary, god bless her, didn't. She hoped to thread the needle with that finesse we have come to associate with the DLC and we rejected it.
Obama was the least "experienced" candidate on the Democratic side but he was the only candidate, black or white, who captured the sentiment of most Americans, at least those with enough sense to see, and wrapped it with a forward looking plan that we could rally around. That is why he is our candidate. He didn't have to sell us, he just had to understand what we want and develop a plan to get us there.
So as election day approaches, look no more for excuses, or exotic rationals, just look at yourselves in the mirror, reread your posts, look at how your thinking has changed this nation for the worst and there you will find the answer of why we want Barack Obama, quite simply, we are just tired of you.
They won't let me rep you again for awhile so I'll just tell you that this is a great post and you really nailed it on the head. I would suggest that the people who have done this are not TRUE conservatives but are the neo cons who have hijacked the republican party. But I agree with everything else you said.
Given that both houses of Congress are controlled by a Democratic majority, to blame the sitting president for all the perceived evils is ridiculous. I am so amazed how many unhappy citizens think that everything that has personally affected their lives (primarily financial) in a negative way is all the fault of President Bush. The legislation that has allowed our economy to tank is a product of Congressional decisions, not those of Bush. To somehow believe that only by electing Sen. Obama will the voice of reason return to our country is delusional, especially in view of his Marxist beliefs about redistrubution of wealth. Do those of you who work hard to improve your lives financially really want to share the results with those who feel no such ambition? If Sen. Obama is elected and Congress remains solidly Democratic, there will be no semblance of a checks and balance system at all. I strongly believe that you need to be careful what you ask for...
This response is very much in the same tone as the OP and why I struggle with both.
To me it is pretty clear that the OP is and has been frustrated by the actions and events of the Bush administration and the Republican Party in the past so many years. I get it, I don't even disagree with it, and I understand where it is born. However, I think many people confuse the term conservative with Republican and I find that frustrating. I believe there to be far fewer actual conservatives in government than most do, and to those who are conservative, I am disturbed by their lack of confronting their own party out of some Reaganesque loyalty to "thou shalt not criticize a fellow Republican". BS, when something is wrong or amiss, then say so, because loyalty to a party is not always the same as loyalty to the oath sworn to the Constitution.
As is pointed out in the above quote, there is again this distillation of blame into absolutism. Either Democrats are all wrong and are evil or Republicans are all wrong and evil, when in truth, both are culpable for many of the reasons why America is in the state that it is in. My frustration lay with watching the arguments over degrees of evil when at the same time failing to recognize those evils that reside in their own party.
To the credit of Obama, his message seems to be one of hope and unity, so when I hear such divisive commentary from those who support him, I feel my concerns have foundation.
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