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Old 05-23-2009, 08:55 PM
 
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Yes, Gitmo was created to circumvent the constitution because THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION..

And then you go off on a stupid tangent contradicting yourself.. circumvent the laws by a lawless administration? Um.. if they circumvented the laws they did NOT break them, meaning the were VERY law abiding.. You just dont like how they did it LEGALLY..
Are you kidding me? Circumventing the laws is breaking them.
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Only one country of origin will accept the return of ONE individual (France).. Thats .5% of them.. What do we do with the other 99.5% of the prisoners that are not welcome back to their original country?
Why do you keep posting this? It's wrong. If that was actually true, we wouldn't have an immigration service.
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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There is a famous ad for facial tissues by Scott Paper Co. The ad says "Is your washroom creating Bolsheviks?" I think we need to ask why our prison's are creating terrorists with out any obvious connection to Al-Qaeda. Are the washrooms too dirty?
People convert to Islam in prison as a way to cope with their imprisonment amongst other positive things. Some encounter those with extremist beliefs. Same as with gangs. Inmate enters and joins a gang for protection and becomes far worst than he went in. Islam is a peaceful religion but has extremist as does Christianity(has evidenced on CD).
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:05 PM
 
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Yes, Gitmo was created to circumvent the constitution because THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION..

And then you go off on a stupid tangent contradicting yourself.. circumvent the laws by a lawless administration? Um.. if they circumvented the laws they did NOT break them, meaning the were VERY law abiding.. You just dont like how they did it LEGALLY..
Weren't these detainee suspects kidnapped from a sovereign country?
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:14 PM
 
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People convert to Islam in prison as a way to cope with their imprisonment amongst other positive things. Some encounter those with extremist beliefs. Same as with gangs. Inmate enters and joins a gang for protection and becomes far worst than he went in. Islam is a peaceful religion but has extremist as does Christianity(has evidenced on CD).
I've been curious for a long time as to why black U.S. anti-government organizations and black prisoners take up Islam rather than any other of many religions of the world.

Anyone know?
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Foreign terrorists will not be released. They will be detained until deported to their country of origin regardless of the outcome of a trial. It's irrational to believe that foreign terrorists will be "running around the streets in the U.S."

That administration has admitted to torturing.
That's exactly what they're talking about....that's one of the problems if they bring them here. Some countries don't want them back and some may even get executed if they're returned (now that's torture...lol). I'm not sure but, if that's the case, they probably would be entitled to asylum then.
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Weren't these detainee suspects kidnapped from a sovereign country?
They're not suspects...they'rew enemy combatants. They would be POW's if they were part of a coventional army but, ever since Viet Nam it's been guerilla warfare. When they created the Geneva convention, I don't think there were terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or the Taliban...wars were fought by countries (and their military).

How can you bring them here and put them on trial though.....they weren't arrested on U.S. soil. If they treat them like they were and bring formal charges against them, right off the bat I would think their defense would argue the issue of jusidication....they're enemy combatants....not suspects.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:01 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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perhaps because we are a nation of laws and GITMO doesn't solve what to do with detainees. Close it down & charge them with a crime instead of detaining them in perpetual legal limbo. If they are involved in terrorist activities and are found guilty lock them up here. If they are innocent of charges send them back.

Sunny Days Obama is not going to release detainees unto American streets. What paranoid delusional idiot would think that? Oh! never mind!
It appears that you assign the lack of explicit laws on this situation to the reason why we should close Gitmo. Backward thinking, IMO. Adjust the laws to cover the situation and then determine what to do. The existance of the prison is not the reason for the prisoners, just a place to safely house them.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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If they are terrorists as you insist, then bring them here and convict them. Otherwise, we're just holding people captive. Gitmo was created to circumvent the constution, geneva convention and American law by a lawless administration. Moving these suspected terrorits here is about serving legal justice.

Do you know the date that Gitmo was created? If you look, I think that you will find it predates the 9/11 attacks.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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Are you kidding me? Circumventing the laws is breaking them.
Um.. I think you need to return to school..
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