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Old 05-24-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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Wrong, i've advocated liberals becoming educated on why and how the laws were skirted so that they can focus their attention on asking that the loopholes be closed.

I've been VERY consistant on why LEGALLY, the laws have not been broken and have been VERY consistant on the actions that need to be taken to make sure the laws are not broken again in the future.

I dont yet here liberals focusing their attention on changing the laws to make sure they arent "skirted" again in the future. Maybe after Obama leaves office, after all, you dont want to disagree with him because after all, he often agrees with Bush..
Things "happen" to laws during war.

Sh*t happens to laws during unlawful wars.
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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Things "happen" to laws during war.

Sh*t happens to laws during unlawful wars.
things happen to laws outside of war also, how many people have gotten off on murder due to "loopholes" for example.. the answer isnt to cry that the loopholes exist, the answer is to ask the lawmakers to change the law to close the loophole...

Until liberals stop diverting from the issue, that loopholes exist and yes, the previous administration took advantage of them to avoid breaking the law, they will not be focusing on the issue that not even the current administration is advocating closing the loopholes so that no other administration can jump through them again.

Why are the Democrats not asking to close the loopholes?
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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In short, you are an advocate for law skirting and perpetual detention based on nothing
You must be referring to obama. As we all have heard recently, he plans to continue and even expand on this practice.

What do you think of that?
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:36 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Of course, the liberals will dismiss inconvient instances of ignoring the laws, like trying to change the laws on interrogation after the fact so that they can try to make a political gain out of it.

Not disputing that this a a tough question that needs to be resolved, but let's try to be thoughtful about it and not guided by the politics of hate.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:03 AM
 
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things happen to laws outside of war also, how many people have gotten off on murder due to "loopholes" for example.. the answer isnt to cry that the loopholes exist, the answer is to ask the lawmakers to change the law to close the loophole...

Until liberals stop diverting from the issue, that loopholes exist and yes, the previous administration took advantage of them to avoid breaking the law, they will not be focusing on the issue that not even the current administration is advocating closing the loopholes so that no other administration can jump through them again.

Why are the Democrats not asking to close the loopholes?
OK, you have my attention.

What loopholes exactly?
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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Tom Ridge: Cheney Is Wrong About Obama (VIDEO)
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I've been curious for a long time as to why black U.S. anti-government organizations and black prisoners take up Islam rather than any other of many religions of the world.

Anyone know?

Islam is perceived as an African religion, Islam entered Africa soon after its emergence out of the Arabian penisula. Major centers of Islamic civilization were set up in Egypt, the Maghreb (Morrocco, Algeria, Tunisia), Niger River Valley of West Africa, Nubia (Nile Valley) and down the East Coast of Africa. Islam is actively converting Africans who are infidels and can do it with black people who are already Islamic. This is key to understanding conflict in places like Somalia or Sudan (Darfur). Christianity also has long roots in North Africa, Egypt and Ethiopia. Egypt and Ethiopia have long standing and throughly indigenous forms of Christianity. However, Most of the early Christian communities switched to Islam because Islam and Christianity are closely related in terms of basic beliefs. When Christianity returned to Africa after 1500 AD it did so from Churches based in Europe by white missionaries. Later Americans who were again mostly white began the effort of Christianizing black Africa.
To Africans Christianity has a white face.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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Islam is perceived as an African religion, Islam entered Africa soon after its emergence out of the Arabian penisula. Major centers of Islamic civilization were set up in Egypt, the Maghreb (Morrocco, Algeria, Tunisia), Niger River Valley of West Africa, Nubia (Nile Valley) and down the East Coast of Africa. Islam is actively converting Africans who are infidels and can do it with black people who are already Islamic. This is key to understanding conflict in places like Somalia or Sudan (Darfur). Christianity also has long roots in North Africa, Egypt and Ethiopia. Egypt and Ethiopia have long standing and throughly indigenous forms of Christianity. However, Most of the early Christian communities switched to Islam because Islam and Christianity are closely related in terms of basic beliefs. When Christianity returned to Africa after 1500 AD it did so from Churches based in Europe by white missionaries. Later Americans who were again mostly white began the effort of Christianizing black Africa.
To Africans Christianity has a white face.
Thanks
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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I dunno, if you are falling from having taken missteps near a cliff, I don't see how looking forward helps much more than looking back to a time before you took missteps.

If you survive the fall somehow, you might want to go back up and fortify the constitutional guard rail.

Ron Paul Now.
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Old 05-24-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Leave them right where they are at and quit worring about it. Let the media discuss some other subject and get it out of the news. People will forget about it very quickly. These detaines really don't deserve so much attention.
Amen.

If they're brought to the USA, the ACLU and other America-haters will eventually get all of them sprung on technicalities.
A bunch of addled criminal-lovers like the 9th Circus would ensure this, along with hundreds of million$ in "damages" to boot.

Putting them on the continental US, vs. gitmo, is what would start this process.
Hopefully even The Other O isn't this dumb, he's punted it for now with the help of his boys n girls in congress.

Apparently his teleprompter never considered that he might have to act on some ill-conceived and ill-thought-out campaign statements and promises, not to mention executive orders.

That's the down side when you live every day as if you're a movie star, playing the president while proving you're clueless.

For those of you fond of the expression "We will never forget,"

does anyone remember the American mood and thoughts on September 12, 2001?

After watching the Twin Towers burn and crumble, some watching the innocent jumping and falling hundreds of feet to a horrific impact death, almost every American citizen--and many in Europe and elsewhere too--would have approved ANY device to prevent another act like this.
There has not been another 911, although there were plans for a building in LA, since the first.

How soon we forget. Those who forget history get to repeat it.
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