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Old 10-14-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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What is a good, most accurate enough way of measuring the successful performance of an education system?

I feel your pain brother, my head explodes every time someone tries to make a serious case for a discussion using nothing but pictures and anecdotes. Not thath there's anything wrong with it, just doesn't really count as "proof".
A Ministry of Education and every school is almost the same - standardized, as well as the offices of junior standartizirovannv physically. Physical improvement (external) depends administrations of all aids and equipment is also dependent on the Ministry of Education and the city. All the schools I've seen on kamchatkke and not only, in good condition, I take pictures of Kamchatka postorayus schools....
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:26 PM
 
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What is a good, most accurate enough way of measuring the successful performance of an education system?
Why ask me, if even experts can't develop one... Just look at the hysteria surrounding EGE (standardized exam) in Russia.

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Not thath there's anything wrong with it, just doesn't really count as "proof".
A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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Russia is growing (recovering) rapidly - that's a simple fact. And that's why things change for the better.
Its not a fact. Its your wishful thinking and propaganda. GDP per capita in Russia is still far behind.... Lithuania, Gabon and most of the civilized world. Of course you can dispute this data compiled by the UN but why? Russia is simply not making enough money to provide for some 150M of citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:29 PM
 
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Its not a fact. Its your wishful thinking and propaganda.
Learn to read.

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Russia is simply not making enough money to provide for some 150M of citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita
According to GPD per capita, Russians can't even afford housing. Get lost already, gebbels.
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Yes American public schools face a lot of problems but at least we have the best colleges in the world: Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton and many others are usually considered top research universities in the world.
What good does that do if the public schools are churning out HS graduates who are illiterate? And the number of drop-outs is too high. In part because students can't deal with algebra (see the Education forum, here), so they can't finish school. It's crazy.
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:46 PM
 
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Learn to read.


According to GPD per capita, Russians can't even afford housing. Get lost already, gebbels.
Ivan. You can't afford much. Numbers don't lie. Take it up with the UN if you think they are incorrect. Until then Russia is behind Gabon lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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What good does that do if the public schools are churning out HS graduates who are illiterate? And the number of drop-outs is too high. In part because students can't deal with algebra (see the Education forum, here), so they can't finish school. It's crazy.
American public school system deals with many challenges absent in other developed countries like number of immigrants for example.
Then again our colleges are second to none.
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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American public school system deals with many challenges absent in other developed countries like number of immigrants for example.
OK, then I agree with the Finns. The US needs to beef up spending on teachers and staffing, and teacher-training and teacher education.
I wonder how other countries deal with Special Education, education of the handicapped? Still waiting to hear from the Finns on achievement in the Saami schools, too.

Our private universities are second to none. The public ones are losing ground. UC Berkeley's quality has been going downhill since Proposition 13 was passed in CA, sadly. And state legislatures around the country have been undermining public university quality and funding for decades. The ideal of a quality education (from primary up) for all is becoming severely eroded. Anyone can create high quality private education.
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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OK, then I agree with the Finns. The US needs to beef up spending on teachers and staffing, and teacher-training and teacher education.
I wonder how other countries deal with Special Education, education of the handicapped? Still waiting to hear from the Finns on achievement in the Saami schools, too.

Our private universities are second to none. The public ones are losing ground. UC Berkeley's quality has been going downhill since Proposition 13 was passed in CA, sadly. And state legislatures around the country have been undermining public university quality and funding for decades. The ideal of a quality education (from primary up) for all is becoming severely eroded. Anyone can create high quality private education.
So why hasn't been EVERYBODY able to create Harvard's and MITs?
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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Ever heard of Oxford?
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