Are Italians lighter skinned than Spaniards? (safe, Scandinavia, rich, genetics)
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No, that's not true. On average, the farther down you go in Europe, the darker the people (on average). Greeks, Armenians, and some Italians don't even look like white Europeans. I've also seen some really dark French people...I mean DARK and they were not immigrants.
If you use the term white in the sense of White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, you'd be right but pathetic... Italians, Südtiroler or Sicilians alike, are just as white as white es your average Scot...
If you use the term white in the sense of White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, you'd be right but pathetic... Italians, Südtiroler or Sicilians alike, are just as white as white es your average Scot...
Why would anybody do that? anglo saxons are only 1 group of people out of millions of Europeans. Just have to face it, Italians are DARK...Sicilians are DARKER.
Why would anybody do that? anglo saxons are only 1 group of people out of millions of Europeans. Just have to face it, Italians are DARK...Sicilians are DARKER.
Of course they are darker. I'm darker than the average Scandinavian. But where is the line between being white and being... I don't know... half Arab like some of you guys seem to imply.
And why I mentioned white anglo saxon protestants? Because this group seems to be the benchmark for being white for most people on this forum, which is ridiculous in my opinion.
Of course they are darker. I'm darker than the average Scandinavian. But where is the line between being white and being... I don't know... half Arab like some of you guys seem to imply.
And why I mentioned white anglo saxon protestants? Because this group seems to be the benchmark for being white for most people on this forum, which is ridiculous in my opinion.
The funny thing is the even the vast majority of those "anglo-saxons" arent even descended from anglo-saxons but from pre-germanic/celtic populations of the British Isles.
I agree many europeans arent that light as people perceive, such as french, britons, etc many are quite diverse looking and a good chunck of their local population don't look that different from southern europeans. However little european countries where the native unhabitant look is much more akin to eachother, and where the population is far less diverse makes the ethnic southern europeans really stand out like a sore thumb.. I have seen it in several european countries, (finland, sweden, denmark, netherlands, parts of germany).
And many southern europeans dont look that different from near easterns (which includes western turks, lebanese , israeli), however the real ethnic arabs look nothing like southern european, such as saudis, yemeni, etc people.
All ethnic Italians are all of the same colour. All ethnic Spanish are all of the same colour. There are no people with different "shades" among ethnic Spanish.
Spanish and Italians, and about two-thirds of France are very similar. I can't distinguish them and I live here, and I have been to Italy umpteen times. Sicilians are normal Europeans.
I'm really amazed by the fact that people from other continent are capable of stating things that Spanish, Italians or Europeans can't answer. More so, most have never been here, or they just came for 15 days in a rush trip...and they don't even know how to distinguish a local from a tourist.
As to who's lighter, I find the question somewhat foolish. I can't tell and I know both countries well and I live here. Italians and Spanish are very similar, as two-thirds of France, the only way of telling them apart is by their clothing, allure, etc.
More like the southern third of frence which is heavily mediterranean in character is closer to spain and Italy, however the french as a whole are much more diverse, when I walked around local in spain and Italy I could always tell I was in southern europe, not only because of building but for the obvious mediterranean aspect of the overwhelm population of both countries. Whereas in france I saw a lot of diversity everywhere, people who could pass for german, others for spanish/italians, and a large chunck who despite coloring looked unmistakeable french. The typical french coloring is lighter than southern europe (spain, italy, greece, portugal) but darker than germanic/central-eastern european) except in some areas of northern-east where people tends to be more similar to central-northern europeans and in the deep south where the average is closer to northern italians and northern iberians.
If you use the term white in the sense of White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, you'd be right but pathetic... Italians, Südtiroler or Sicilians alike, are just as white as white es your average Scot...
And most scots arent that white to begin with , they have mostly darkbrown or mousy brown hair, as high as 70% of them. The tall blonde phenotype is typically of continental europe (slavic and germanic countries) and scandinavia, not of the british Isles where the majority is dark haired and light-mixed eyed.
Even in parts of northern france I saw more blondes than in scotland.
In terms of hair color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland, Italy, Portugal
" " of eye color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland, Italy, Portugal
" " of skin color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland and Portugal, Italy.
Thus those who are saying that all Europeans are identical, are only fooling themselves. Here we see that despite the fact that Portugal is darker-haired and dark-eyed, they are still lighter-skinned than Italians.[/quote]
Irish are not blonder than Poles, Its silly to even argue that, everybody who has been to Ireland at least once on his lifetime knows at least 75%+ of Irish people are dark haired.
What the own Irish people comment about Irish hair color:
"I think you will find the same variation in Ireland as among U.S. Caucasians, but fewer blonds."
"We have every colour hair and eyes. But mainly dark haired. "
"Well mostly we have brown hair and blue/green eyes
A few blonds and we do have red haired green eyed people but I don't think there's any more here then there is in any other country "
And most scots arent that white to begin with , they have mostly darkbrown or mousy brown hair, as high as 70% of them. The tall blonde phenotype is typically of continental europe (slavic and germanic countries) and scandinavia, not of the british Isles where the majority is dark haired and light-mixed eyed.
Even in parts of northern france I saw more blondes than in scotland.
In terms of hair color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland, Italy, Portugal
" " of eye color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland, Italy, Portugal
" " of skin color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland and Portugal, Italy.
Thus those who are saying that all Europeans are identical, are only fooling themselves. Here we see that despite the fact that Portugal is darker-haired and dark-eyed, they are still lighter-skinned than Italians.
Irish are not blonder than Poles, Its silly to even argue that, everybody who has been to Ireland at least once on his lifetime knows at least 75%+ of Irish people are dark haired.
What the own Irish people comment about Irish hair color:
"I think you will find the same variation in Ireland as among U.S. Caucasians, but fewer blonds."
"We have every colour hair and eyes. But mainly dark haired. "
"Well mostly we have brown hair and blue/green eyes
A few blonds and we do have red haired green eyed people but I don't think there's any more here then there is in any other country "
Please give a source for that figure of 75%+ of dark hair in Ireland? I'd believe it if light brown and medium brown was included in that figure but not dark brown. I would be very interested because I've never seen that before in any anthropology studies.
I know many scots, english and irish, rarely any of them is blond, let alone golden-light blonde, lot of pale complexions , dark hair and light eyes combo though.
I usually ignore your posts yet I found that rather strange considering that some members of my English background side of my family do have blonde hair.
And most scots arent that white to begin with , they have mostly darkbrown or mousy brown hair, as high as 70% of them. The tall blonde phenotype is typically of continental europe (slavic and germanic countries) and scandinavia, not of the british Isles where the majority is dark haired and light-mixed eyed.
Even in parts of northern france I saw more blondes than in scotland.
In terms of hair color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland, Italy, Portugal
" " of eye color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland, Italy, Portugal
" " of skin color from lightest to darkest: Ireland, Poland and Portugal, Italy.
Thus those who are saying that all Europeans are identical, are only fooling themselves. Here we see that despite the fact that Portugal is darker-haired and dark-eyed, they are still lighter-skinned than Italians.
Irish are not blonder than Poles, Its silly to even argue that, everybody who has been to Ireland at least once on his lifetime knows at least 75%+ of Irish people are dark haired.
What the own Irish people comment about Irish hair color:
"I think you will find the same variation in Ireland as among U.S. Caucasians, but fewer blonds."
"We have every colour hair and eyes. But mainly dark haired. "
"Well mostly we have brown hair and blue/green eyes
A few blonds and we do have red haired green eyed people but I don't think there's any more here then there is in any other country "
Well let's see that's according to your personal agenda. You could post pictures of darker-haired people and I could post pictures of lighter-haired, it's that easy. However the GWAS/Genome Wide Association Studies of pigmentation in European countries in 2012 which involves universities, doctors would be much more credible than your opinion which based on rootless foundations. Too bad for you, the Irish are placed over-all lighter in the following aspects( skin, hair and eye color) than Poles, Italians,Portuguese, we all know that goes against your "traditional illusion". Even according to a study done much earlier by the Irish Journal of Medical Science, dark brown hair among Irish males was isn't any particularly high at no more than 36% the remainder were lighter(62%). It's a known fact that Irish females are much lighter-haired than their male counterparts. There is a greater variation of hair colors throughout the Irish population and it's not predominantly dark as you are quoting. The commonest eye color among the Irish is by far blue and is quite similar in fact to the occurance of blue eyes in the Scandinavian and Baltic countries. In fact, most Irish who have dark brown hair, are also fair-skinned and have blue eyes, this coloring is most common in Ireland and Iceland than anywhere else in Europe that doesn't mean that the majority of Irish people are of that coloring either.
Example: Pierce Brosnan(dark brown hair, blue eyes and freckled)("Brosnan/IRF4 gene") http://www.posters.ws/images/334714/pierce_brosnan.jpg
The palest and the most freckled complexions are to be more common in the west, especially the southwest where the least Germanic influence is to be found. Peat Farmer (3)
It is a fact that the average Irish skin complexion is lighter than the average for continental Europe as well. This was also clearly shown by recent studies of the GWAS(2012), thus they are not Southern Europeans as you and Don Caballero suggested. Irish are well among the world's palest people together with Scots, Icelanders, they have the lowest tanning ability. Icelanders have links with Ireland and Scotland since the Viking age, so that explains why. Recently, sunbathing culture has become very popular in Ireland and many people have fake tans as well, this has increased of course skin cancer by far. Anybody who is well-acquainted with Irish people, would well know that they are very fair.
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