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Old 03-27-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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Tuaregs are not Berber at all.
Again, no African blacks in North Africa in historical times, African blacks are subsaharan.
And yes, they did certainly settled in Spain during the Carthaginean empire.
Berbers are part of antiquity, Saint Augustine, some Emperors, Libiophoenicians, etc.
If you don't believe me, take your car and travel to the Atlas, you can get there in just one day.
North African haploids are also present in Germany, ol' Addie had them.
No, up there they are not mixed, they are cabileños.
These are Berber children from the Atlas region in Morocco.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...up_shot%21.jpg


These are German girls.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iedermeier.JPG

Get your facts straight, the Berbers are more closely related to Middle-Eastern, though there is a recent European admixture which came through especially the Barbary slave trade. However to say that Germans are North Africans is madness!
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Old 03-28-2014, 05:02 AM
 
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This is the distribution of what is sometimes referred to as the Berber marker because of its dominance among Berbers, E-M81

File:Y Hap EM-81.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly it has nothing to do with Central Europe. Though no data is available for Germany, it is safe to assume the percentage is the same there as with Germany's neighbors...

On this map the percentage for Germany is stated as less than 1%:
New distribution map of Y-haplogroup E-M81


E haplogroup is present all around, not as much present in Central Europe as mongols and slavic.
Berbers are originary from Middle East.
There are people that are cultural Berbers, but not ethnically, just as Americans speak a European language but are not European.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:13 AM
 
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E haplogroup is present all around, not as much present in Central Europe as mongols and slavic.
Berbers are originary from Middle East.
There are people that are cultural Berbers, but not ethnically, just as Americans speak a European language but are not European.
If by ethnically you mean genetically (which I assume since you mentioned culture separately) then white Americans are indeed ethnically Europeans. African-Americans not of course.

Haplogroup E is rare in Europe except the southern parts of Med countries. There is a certain presence of maybe 5% or so in Eastern Europe, obviously having spread north from southern Greece and Italy, and Western Turkey:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...po_E-ADN-Y.GIF
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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An Ethnicity does noty have anything to do with genetical heritage. Culture does not have anything to do with genetic heritage.

As such, African-Americans belong to the American ethnicity.

There's no European ethnicity in the US since they did not preserve their culture and language.

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Old 03-28-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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E Haplogroup.
Germany has a higher frequency than Catalonia, quite curious.
Most of the origin comes from Neolithic farmers.
The highest frequency in Spain is in Galicia, also quite curiously, the reason is that muslim converse fled to the north because there was no Inquisition there.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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An Ethnicity does noty have anything to do with genetical heritage. Culture does not have anything to do with genetic heritage.

As such, African-American belong to the American ethnicity.
That assumption is wrong. There are various definitions of ethnicity and race, i.e. genes have always played a role in it.
Your definition of ethnicity is the cultural one, so there was no point in differentiating between ethnic and cultural.

Many white Americans consider themselves as German, Italian, etc. ethnically speaking. That is why they refer to themselves as German-Americans, Italian-Americans, etc.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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They can consider themselves whatever they want, that's their problem.
The term race is not used scientifically, there are no human races.
Ethnicity is a group of different people that make up a country, such as the Russian ethnicity, or the Spanish ethnicity.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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E Haplogroup.
Germany has a higher frequency than Catalonia, quite curious.
Most of the origin comes from Neolithic farmers.
The highest frequency in Spain is in Galicia, also quite curiously, the reason is that muslim converse fled to the north because there was no Inquisition there.

Your map does not show the E haplogroup as such, but a single group of it.
And your map shows that it is much more common in European Med countries than further up north. The Balkan has been a center for that specific group. From there it spread to the north.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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They can consider themselves whatever they want, that's their problem.
The term race is not used scientifically, there are no human races.
Ethnicity is a group of different people that make up a country, such as the Russian ethnicity, or the Spanish ethnicity.
No, that is nationality. Spain and Russia each have various ethnic groups...
Americans consider themselves Americans of German, Italian etc. ethnicity because their ancestors came from there. It has very much to do with a genetic connection to Europeans.
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