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One thing one should keep in mind is that only few specimen have been found and analyzed. One cannot even say that the characteristics found are typical of early European people. Maybe people just 20km away from that site looked very different.
No it has been reviewed with genetical samples of various European populations including that of Spain. This specimen (called La Brana 1) genome is even more to Finnish people than the Swedish or at least that part of Northern Europe. We could say that his genetics belong to what was previously known as the Nordic race, though his skin, hair was more pigmented.
No it has been reviewed with genetical samples of various European populations including that of Spain. This specimen (called La Brana 1) genome is even more to Finnish people than the Swedish or at least that part of Northern Europe. We could say that his genetics belong to what was previously known as the Nordic race, though his skin, hair was more pigmented.
That is not the point or what I said. My point was that even back then not all people looked the same. Just because there were people who looked like that "race" proposed in the op, doesn't mean everyone in Europe back then looked like that. Much more likely than not they did not...
That scientists were right and most had a very similar look.,,and he was not that early, at that time, 8.000 years ago, Barcelona had a fairly large population and it was an agricultural society in which hunt and recollection were not essential. That was thousands of years before the arrival of Indoeuropeans.
That is not the point or what I said. My point was that even back then not all people looked the same. Just because there were people who looked like that "race" proposed in the op, doesn't mean everyone in Europe back then looked like that. Much more likely than not they did not...
Obviously in every population there would always be variations. Even in the so-called "Nordic" race there is variety but that doesn't mean that there isn't a main trend predominating. The same happened in the Mesolithic times in area ranging from Iberia to western Siberia. It doesn't have to be 100% you know. La Brana was found to also be linked to some hunter-gatherers in the Lake Baikal regions, this alone they might a universal look.
Obviously in every population there would always be variations. Even in the so-called "Nordic" race there is variety but that doesn't mean that there isn't a main trend predominating. The same happened in the Mesolithic times in area ranging from Iberia to western Siberia. It doesn't have to be 100% you know. La Brana was found to also be linked to some hunter-gatherers in the Lake Baikal regions, this alone they might a universal look.
The La Brana guy is only 7k years old, Europe had been settled for tens of thousands of years before. And those diverse people didn't disappear into thin air. They were still around back then, and they still are in that huge European melting pot we have today.
7k years ago, the Sahara was not even a desert, yet. Black Africans were living all the way up to the Mediterranean, and almost certainly crossed it.
Not really, Berbers settled North Africa 14.000-18.000 years ago and they came from the east. In fact, Berbers are a far older semitic population than R1b. Blacks were brought massively into the area in recent times, around 17th Century.
At that time, 7k ago, Western Europe was not only scarcely populated by the same people, but they shared practically the same culture. Culture was classified according to pottery, there were only subtle variations. "Civilization" came much later, when the first western European city was founded by Phoenicians that brought the abecedary, later came Greeks, etc.
Not really, Berbers settled North Africa 14.000-18.000 years ago and they came from the east. In fact, Berbers are a far older semitic population than R1b. Blacks were brought massively into the area in recent times, around 17th Century.
At that time, 7k ago, Western Europe was not only scarcely populated by the same people, but they shared practically the same culture. Culture was classified according to pottery, there were only subtle variations. "Civilization" came much later, when the first western European city was founded by Phoenicians that brought the abecedary, later came Greeks, etc.
Interesting link mentioned there between Berbers and the Saami
Blacks from West Africa have always lived in that region as well for tens of thousands of years, which is only logical as the Sahara used to be green land without obstacles to migrants, and it will be again, as desertification happens in long cycles.
There was not only one people that inhabited Western Europe.
There were no immigrants at that time, and again, Berbers are white, and I have been in the Atlas mountains a lot of times. At that time, most inhabitants were related and close relatives, and just another thing, they were not related to modern Germans and modern Spanish, at least 95 percent of them.
Basques are r1b, maybe the higher percentage on earth after Welsh, their singularity comes from the fact that they were isolated during many centuries. In fact, modern Basques came from Celtic tribes that adopted the Basque culture, Romans removed Basques and settled the territory with Vardulos, a Celtic tribe. Navarre, the ancestral home of the Basque, was resettled by Pompei, founder of Pamplona, and later resettled again.
There were no immigrants at that time, and again, Berbers are white, and I have been in the Atlas mountains a lot of times. At that time, most inhabitants were related and close relatives, and just another thing, they were not related to modern Germans and modern Spanish, at least 95 percent of them.
Basques are r1b, maybe the higher percentage on earth after Welsh, their singularity comes from the fact that they were isolated during many centuries. In fact, modern Basques came from Celtic tribes that adopted the Basque culture, Romans removed Basques and settled the territory with Vardulos, a Celtic tribe. Navarre, the ancestral home of the Basque, was resettled by Pompei, founder of Pamplona, and later resettled again.
will call it what it is! A lie, there were Black people also in North Africa in southern Egypt and Nubia(North-eastern Africa), as well in Mauritania and southern parts of Morroco. Berbers are a Middle-Easterners who moved to Africa at a much earlier date than the Phoenicians, Arabs, Turks. However, they also reflect some European/White admixtures. So they are Caucasoids(Meds), but are not White in the strict sense. Yes they do have much more ancient Sub-Saharan admixtures, but some groups may as light as Europeans while others are much darker with almost wooly hair as most Africans. So Neuling is right, they are of a mixed racial type. No wonder, sometimes, a person of African and European ancestry can easily blend with Berbers and other North Africans.
If you want concrete proof, their genome has been exposed by the Genographic Project(2012) while studying the Tunisian population.
TUNISIAN
This reference population is based on samples collected from people native to Tunisia, in North Africa. Tunisia’s location on the Mediterranean Sea in North Africa contributes to its broad genetic diversity. Predominantly Mediterranean (62%), there is also clearly European and African influence (6% Northern European and 19% sub-Saharan African). The 10% Southwest Asian component likely arrived in two waves, one with the arrival of agriculture from the Middle East beginning around 8,000 years ago, and also with the Islamic conquest of the 7th century. The source of the 2% Southeast Asian component is a mystery.
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