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Old 03-28-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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Europedia, no, not more common, look at Catalonia and parts of Spain, far less than in Germany.
In Spain there are regions with no E haplogroup, not the case of Germany, they are all 10 percent E.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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No, that is nationality. Spain and Russia each have various ethnic groups...
Americans consider themselves Americans of German, Italian etc. ethnicity because their ancestors came from there. It has very much to do with a genetic connection to Europeans.


Plain romanticism, there might be a genetic connection but that's about it.
Russians are considered a single ethnicity, and they have a name for it, I'm talking about Russian slavs though they are composed by hundred of different groups.
In Spain there are cultural ethnicities, not racial ethnicities no matter what some extreme nationalists say.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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Europedia, no, not more common, look at Catalonia and parts of Spain, far less than in Germany.
In Spain there are regions with no E haplogroup, not the case of Germany, they are all 10 percent E.
Jesus, are we looking at the same map?
For most of Germany it says 5 to 10%, and for the norther part of Germany (the most Germanic part of it) it says 1 to 5%. In Spain only Catalunya has that low percentage, most of Spain has 5 to 20%, though, just like France, where obviously it spread up from the Med.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Most Germany has 5 to 10, just like Castilla la Mancha, Aragon, etc. There are regions in Spain with no E, Basque country, Navarre, etc.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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Plain romanticism, there might be a genetic connection but that's about it.
Russians are considered a single ethnicity, and they have a name for it, I'm talking about Russian slavs though they are composed by hundred of different groups.
In Spain there are cultural ethnicities, not racial ethnicities no matter what some extreme nationalists say.

Of course there is a genetic connection. And that is very important to a lot of Americans, which is why they are so much into having their DNA tested. To them ethnicity is all about genes, as culturally they are just average Americans.

Ethnic Russians live in all kinds of countries, not only Russia.
I also don't believe in races as such, but genetically speaking there certainly are different groups in Spain, just like in Russia and Germany etc.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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Most Germany has 5 to 10, just like Castilla la Mancha, Aragon, etc. There are regions in Spain with no E, Basque country, Navarre, etc.
Your own map proves you wrong. Really, I don't understand your logic...
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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Again, it might be important for a lot of Americans but that's about it. I know kids living in the big banlieus of Barcelona that think that they are Japanese.
The differences among Spanish are purely anecdotical, just Folk tales.
An Ethnicity comprises many differents groups because centuries ago, every little town was practically a cultural ethnicity because isolation.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Your own map proves you wrong. Really, I don't understand your logic...


I'm saying that most of Germany is 10 percent E, if you add Slavs, Mongols and the likes, then the country is just like a crossroad inn.
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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Again, it might be important for a lot of Americans but that's about it. I know kids living in the big banlieus of Barcelona that think that they are Japanese.
The differences among Spanish are purely anecdotical, just Folk tales.
An Ethnicity comprises many differents groups because centuries ago, every little town was practically a cultural ethnicity because isolation.
That is what you might wish for some reason, but it is far from the truth.
As the haplogroup maps show people differ genetically from region to region within Spain, or within France, or within Portugal. Looks often are a good indicator of genetic proximity. Especially in bigger countries there often are various ethnic groups, which in many cases have lived in their respective regions for a very long time, more or less isolated. But sooner or later their regions became part of a country for political reasons, and as a consequence the country is multi-ethnic. Russia and China are typical examples. The US as well, African-Americans are an ethnic group, different from white Americans.
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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I'm saying that most of Germany is 10 percent E, if you add Slavs, Mongols and the likes, then the country is just like a crossroad inn.
Again, your map only is on E1b, not E. And the legend says 5-10 percent, not 10 percent. The various peoples you mention are already included in that data. After all, they have been there for so long and been absorbed long ago, so nobody can determine such haplogroup distributions today without automatically including them.
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