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Old 03-22-2014, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Vik
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Every year it is less and this process takes time. Do you think , CORUPTION not in U.S.? Recent example? Difference is that they do not spread this on every corner of , and try to hide from the public.
That is the problem of the Russians. For every problem addressed in Russia - russians get all protective and start comparing to the US.

Trying to compare yourself to the US - takes you nowhere. You are light years away from even coming close to dealing with corruption at a level the US does. Or any any issue that reflects quality of life - for that matter.
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Old 03-22-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: NYC
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I don't think corruption can be fixed in one generation. And if you want to know if a country will be corrupt, look at their philosophical past. I'm not as familiar with Russia but I do know a lot about China which also has a huge problem with corruption. Chinese philosophers say a lot about filial duty but there is nary any discussion about civil service.
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Old 03-22-2014, 01:16 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I don't think corruption can be fixed in one generation. And if you want to know if a country will be corrupt, look at their philosophical past. I'm not as familiar with Russia but I do know a lot about China which also has a huge problem with corruption. Chinese philosophers say a lot about filial duty but there is nary any discussion about civil service.
What's considered filial duty, or looking after one's relatives, in Asian cultures gets labeled "nepotism" by Westerners. Does that mean a certain type of corruption is built in to some Asian cultures? Or is it a matter of different cultural values?
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Old 03-22-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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What's considered filial duty, or looking after one's relatives, in Asian cultures gets labeled "nepotism" by Westerners. Does that mean a certain type of corruption is built in to some Asian cultures? Or is it a matter of different cultural values?
Absolutely. As much as certain type of corruption is built in Russian culture.
It IS a matter of different cultural values with the West - the US in particular, that's why that cookie cutter of "freedom and democracy" that the US is trying to impose on older countries produces the ugly monstrosities of Chinese version ( or Russian for this matter) of capitalism.
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Old 03-25-2014, 01:17 AM
 
Location: England
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The BBC business programme said this morning that 70 billion dollars had left Russia in the first quarter of this year due to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. To put that in perspective, the total amount of money that left Russia in 2013 was 63 billion.

The worlds credit agencies have Russia's economic prospects set at negative growth and the Rouble is virtually worthless outside of Russia. And it's going to get worse, for the Russian people that is.
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Old 03-25-2014, 09:47 AM
 
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The BBC business programme said this morning that 70 billion dollars had left Russia in the first quarter of this year due to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. To put that in perspective, the total amount of money that left Russia in 2013 was 63 billion.

The worlds credit agencies have Russia's economic prospects set at negative growth and the Rouble is virtually worthless outside of Russia. And it's going to get worse, for the Russian people that is.
"Russian shares and the rouble rose moderately on Tuesday on the absence of new G7 sanctions.
The crisis is also taking a toll in Western Europe. German business morale dropped for the first time in five months in March as firms in Europe's largest economy began to worry that a standoff with Russia and further sanctions over Ukraine would hurt them in a key market, the Munich-based Ifo institute said.'


West, Russia signal line drawn in Ukraine crisis | Reuters


So as you can see everything is not as "cut and dry" in the world ruled by money.
The line between Russia and West apparently is drawn now at South-Eastern Ukraine; if Russia dares to cross yet "another line" you know...
But then of course as rumor has it, the new Ukrainian government is considering to invite the mercenaries to Eastern Ukraine to qualm the unrest, so that there would have been no more "lines to draw."



ITAR-TASS: World - Kiev decides to tame eastern Ukraine by foreign mercenaries
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Old 03-25-2014, 12:13 PM
 
Location: New York City
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But then of course as rumor has it, the new Ukrainian government is considering to invite the mercenaries to Eastern Ukraine to qualm the unrest, so that there would have been no more "lines to draw."



ITAR-TASS: World - Kiev decides to tame eastern Ukraine by foreign mercenaries
This is more propaganda than rumor. The last thing the Ukrainian government wants is to give Russia provocation to justify an intervention. Ukraine’s motivation is hardly pure, but it’s absolutely not in their self-interest to do such a thing.
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Old 03-25-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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This is more propaganda than rumor. The last thing the Ukrainian government wants is to give Russia provocation to justify an intervention. Ukraine’s motivation is hardly pure, but it’s absolutely not in their self-interest to do such a thing.
It's not rumor any longer - looks like it's already a fact; here it is again, with more details.

ITAR-TASS: World - Kiev decides to tame eastern Ukraine by foreign mercenaries

300 Blackwater Mercs Lands In Ukraine? | Alternative

And the reason why Kiev's government thinks that the law enforcement in the Eastern part of the country "cannot settle the issue of pro-Russian movement themselves, " is most likely this -

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/mikle...272538_600.jpg

( you do know what it means, don't you?)

If all these facts are going to be proven, this won't play well for Kiev's government.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Finland
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It's not rumor any longer - looks like it's already a fact; here it is again, with more details.

ITAR-TASS: World - Kiev decides to tame eastern Ukraine by foreign mercenaries

300 Blackwater Mercs Lands In Ukraine? | Alternative

And the reason why Kiev's government thinks that the law enforcement in the Eastern part of the country "cannot settle the issue of pro-Russian movement themselves, " is most likely this -

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/mikle...272538_600.jpg

( you do know what it means, don't you?)

If all these facts are going to be proven, this won't play well for Kiev's government.
Uhm... why would Ukraine need 300 Blackwaters if they had thousands and thousands of Pravyi Sektor nazis and football hooligans throwing molotovs and armed with AK's? The Russian provocateurs should be an easy match for these guys. If people are paid 100 Hryvna a day, I think they'll disappear the second when the first molotov is thrown.

And what Ukraine definitely don't want to do is that by attacking they may provoke Russia into attacking, to "defend it's citizens".

The Russian propaganda has no logic anymore.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:17 PM
 
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Uhm... why would Ukraine need 300 Blackwaters if they had thousands and thousands of Pravyi Sektor nazis and football hooligans throwing molotovs and armed with AK's? The Russian provocateurs should be an easy match for these guys. If people are paid 100 Hryvna a day, I think they'll disappear the second when the first molotov is thrown.

And what Ukraine definitely don't want to do is that by attacking they may provoke Russia into attacking, to "defend it's citizens".

The Russian propaganda has no logic anymore.
They've tried that - to send "Praviy sector" to the Eastern part of the country.

Should I remind you how it all ended?

http://storage1.censor.net.ua/images...fe/710x423.jpg

or that video that you've posted earlier yourself? ( here is the different version of it.)


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Besides, the "revolutionaries" have already served their purpose; the current government wants to have its hands clean, to come across as the "civilized one," that has got nothing to do with the ultra-right groups.
That's why it would rather hire the "professionals," when it's aiming to get loans from the "civilized West."
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