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Old 11-14-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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I generally don't pay much attention to people who make conclusory statements (not a game changer) with certainty. I'll just note this:

Think about what you wrote, Armenia, small, poor, with expensive weaponry, (and according to you, no army to speak of), Azerbaijan, larger wealthier with inexpensive weaponry. What if it was Armenia that had the drones and Azerbaijan had the tanks?

Pointing out the obvious, that it might not work in other situations, is as useless as me asserting the alternative.

Huh?
Where did I write that?
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Old 11-15-2020, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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"According to the histories of both Moses of Chorene and Michael Chamchian, Armenia derives from the name of Aram, a lineal descendant of Hayk.[39][40] The Table of Nations lists Aram as the son of Shem, to whom the Book of Jubilees attests,
"And for Aram there came forth the fourth portion, all the land of Mesopotamia between the Tigris and the Euphrates to the north of the Chaldees to the border of the mountains of Asshur and the land of 'Arara.[41][42]"
Jubilees 8:21 also apportions the Mountains of Ararat to Shem, which Jubilees 9:5 expounds to be apportioned to Aram.[41][42] The historian Flavius Josephus also states in his Antiquities of the Jews,
"Aram had the Aramites, which the Greeks called Syrians;... Of the four sons of Aram, Uz founded Trachonitis and Damascus: this country lies between Palestine and Celesyria. Ul founded Armenia; and Gather the Bactrians; and Mesa the Mesaneans; it is now called Charax Spasini."[43]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia#Demographics



I thought so. My guess always was that they were related to Jews somehow...
Hence - genocides, persecutions and huge diaspora scattered around the world.
Just a guess.





By that argument, everyone is related to Jews because everyone descends from Noah. Btw Armenians are linguistically Indo-Europeans, not sure which branch they are closest to, but it’s usually grouped in the Satem group (Baltic-Slavic and Indo-Iranic), although many linguists postulate that Armenian language split off from a Proto Greco-Armenian language. Genetically their most common y Haplogroup is R1b, same as Western Europe, though if I understand it correctly they have the older version. Also in modern times they are closest related to Sardinians since Sardinians are genetically very close to the original Neolithic farmers who moved from the near east to Europe, which Armenians are also very closely related it, if not the closest of all modern people?
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Old 11-15-2020, 08:16 AM
 
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And you are working for Zelensky/ Poroshenko then?



Yet at this point in time Russians are not in a hurry to get rid of him.

Did you ever wonder why?



I'll leave it up to Anhity to comment on "higher quality of life" in those "former Soviet Republics," but here is an interesting article on a subject of Russian salaries, that you might like.

And while you are in that, pay attention at these two particular sections;

What is Normal
and
Russian Attitudes to Rich and Poor ( excellent link to the article in Russian. Recommended.)

( The latter one gives me an idea that Russians are alive and well, in spite of all odds.)
That was interesting. Those people over there are magicians when it comes to making money. I think one thing is telling when you compare their way of doing things to ours. The people I know do not borrow. They pay cash. They have schemes on top of schemes. On top of that when it comes to living quarters ect they only pay for maintenance most of which is done by them and utilities.

No rent and no mortgages.

My real life sources are limited and perhaps out of date but it does work for them. Things may be changing.
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Old 11-15-2020, 10:45 AM
 
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Huh?
Where did I write that?
Apologies I worded that poorly. The "expensive weapons" part was my characterization of tanks vs drones, (based on the linked article), not yours. As for the rest......you did compare Armenia as smaller and poorer vs. Azerbaijan........
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Old 11-15-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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"According to the histories of both Moses of Chorene and Michael Chamchian, Armenia derives from the name of Aram, a lineal descendant of Hayk.[39][40] The Table of Nations lists Aram as the son of Shem, to whom the Book of Jubilees attests,
"And for Aram there came forth the fourth portion, all the land of Mesopotamia between the Tigris and the Euphrates to the north of the Chaldees to the border of the mountains of Asshur and the land of 'Arara.[41][42]"
Jubilees 8:21 also apportions the Mountains of Ararat to Shem, which Jubilees 9:5 expounds to be apportioned to Aram.[41][42] The historian Flavius Josephus also states in his Antiquities of the Jews,
"Aram had the Aramites, which the Greeks called Syrians;... Of the four sons of Aram, Uz founded Trachonitis and Damascus: this country lies between Palestine and Celesyria. Ul founded Armenia; and Gather the Bactrians; and Mesa the Mesaneans; it is now called Charax Spasini."[43]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia#Demographics



I thought so. My guess always was that they were related to Jews somehow...
Hence - genocides, persecutions and huge diaspora scattered around the world.
Just a guess.
Stalin was singled out for placing the majority-Armenian region of Nagorno-Karabakh into Azerbaijan in the early 1920s.
But if one looks at the map below, it makes sense that people with close cultural ties live in the same friendly geographic zone. Er, particularly if they all have long memories.
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Old 11-15-2020, 06:51 PM
 
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Armenia vs Azerbijan air defense.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IL8hAu2wIC4

This is key. Both sides had drones. Azeri air defenses took out the Armenian drones and/or kept them far behind the front line where they were ineffective. Azeri air defense kept the skies clear while their drones roamed at will.

The Armenians did not have the means to fight back so they sued for peace essentially.

Drones are going to be a significant force on the battlefield anywhere they are used so long as they are able to function.

Russia realized they were behind some years ago and they built the Pantsir in large quantities. They and the other advanced systems Russia has are the answer. Russia is fielding new drones also.
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Old 11-16-2020, 03:25 AM
 
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It's not a bad place, especially if you are lucky to get a high level government position which opens path to self-enrichment.

Otherwise you are bound to make a salary comparable to the poorest African countries, "enjoy" poor quality food (lack of standards and their enforcement due to corruption), high level of violent crime, and total corruption from top to bottom - for ex. even if you go to a state hospital don't expect much free care, you will pay cash directly to doctors, nurses etc., and this is how it works EVERYWHERE.
From your post, I conclude that you do not know a damn thing about Russia. Your knowledge of modern Russia is zero.
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:53 AM
 
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From your post, I conclude that you do not know a damn thing about Russia. Your knowledge of modern Russia is zero.
He doesn't. Most of what he wrote is boiler plate propaganda.
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:48 AM
 
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Apologies I worded that poorly. The "expensive weapons" part was my characterization of tanks vs drones, (based on the linked article), not yours. As for the rest......you did compare Armenia as smaller and poorer vs. Azerbaijan........

This described the situation fairly well; ( coming from one of the Karabakh key figures in charge from Armenian side ( from 16:02)



" I repeat again; let's figure out our military goal; so we'll hit Shushi with 20-30 salvos of Smerches, finish off everyone there, take the city back and then what? The conditions our army ( and civilians) are in, don't allow us to continue the war. We need to conduct negotiations with Russia, to explain that Karabakh is asking for 10 days to arrange unconditional capitulation and then we leave OR we leave our army to the will of fate. Imagine we have only two Grads for the entire army and dozen of Howitzer for which we don't have ammunition. But even if we'll receive 100 Grads, we don't have specialists that can operate these machines. We are simply dying from drones, from Smerches and rockets. We are short on ammunition. The infantry can't operate without the preliminary bombardment - this is unrealistic. From military point of view our commandment of our troops was weak from the very beginning. We've had problems with discipline within our army; our battalion commanders had to be talked into changing positions when necessary. And all this became clear not today - it became clear from the second day of war.
So we definitely need to talk to the Russians."



P.S. I assume that Russian Smerches were sold both to Armenia and Azerbaijan.



So the whole situation was obviously more than just "drones vs tanks."




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmAs6rVxgk4&t=1059s
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Old 11-16-2020, 12:56 PM
 
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He doesn't. Most of what he wrote is boiler plate propaganda.
I’m actually a bit confused here. I remember civis constantly praising Russia in the past. He would often have harsh words for those who criticize Putin.
What happened here?
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