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Actually the US and allies did invade some of the smaller home islands before dropping the bomb and the people that lived there fought to death and most of the locals that did die in battle committed suicide as they thought that surrendering to the US would be worse than death. If the US did not use the Nuclear bomb then far more Japanese would have lost their lives in the war and it would result in much larger US and allies deaths.
Actually all the major countries in WW2 did bomb cities including the Soviet Union.
Do you understand the difference between bombing of military facilities (with peaceful casualties, unfortunately) and bombing of residential cities?
When troops storm a city, they:
1. provide a challenge to civilians.
2. artillery preparation (with peaceful casualties, unfortunately).
3. storming a city.
The bombing of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and other cities) were not troops military operations. These were acts of intimidation and revenge. In the 21st century terrorists do so.
Therefore, I do not understand when someone makes a claim to Russian for Stalin. It was a different time.
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Not so in the Northern Caucasus. It been occurring from the 18th century to the 21st century. Yet even when the Atheistic Soviet Union had problems in that region, and even Stalin deported all of them. Just as he deported the Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, plus numerous Estonians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukranians, Hungarians, Romanians, Finns, German civilians and Poles, and much of them died as a result in it.
Here is a clip on the 1.4 million Poles deported to Siberia in 1940, Just after Soviet Union invaded Eastern Poland, just as the Nazis invaded Western Poland. At least 1/3rd Poles deported survived: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blXwcwjcAjA
Yet of course I admit in my country committed atrocities on its Indigenous people in the past. It is a dark side to my country past.
It was not a matter of religion. Stalin solved quite clear questions: local population was dissatisfied with the Soviets and could support the enemy. This could lead to the loss of the war. It's terrible, but he was not a mentally ill person (like Hitler). He was very practical.
Stalin's purges were going on since the late 20's early 30's when he started getting rid of political opponents from the Politburo like Trotsky, Kamenev and Zinoviev. Then the Great Terror happened which claimed at least 20 million lives (and that's the lower estimate).
*Sigh* Please enough already of these speculations - they become tiresome. There were never "20 million killed during Great Terror" - it's just the scary fairy-tails for children that Westerners like to tell to each other. In reality Stalin was not some vampire, piling up mountains of corpses "just because." He needed labor, he needed soldiers, so even if you use common sense, with all the people that Russia lost during the recent civil war and than WWII, if it were true that it lost "20 million" on top of that in-between for real, the country would have simply demographically collapsed. No, the "Great Terror" took the lives of approximately 500-600 thousand people, but the BIGGEST human losses Russia experienced during the collectivization, not the purges/great terror. And that's what Stalin acknowledged during his conversation with Churchill. On another hand - if he wouldn't have conducted the collectivization, he wouldn't have been able to proceed with the rapid industrialization. And without it, Russia would have lost the war. Quit picturing Stalin like some medieval warlord - he was an intelligent statesman ( although a cruel one,) and the security of his state was his end goal after all.
I don't think of Stalin as a medieval warlord. Many smart people were behind terrible atrocities.
Perhaps I should have worded it better, I meant that 20 million died as a result of his policies (and that includes collectivization).
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Historian Timothy D. Snyder, after assessing 20 years of historical research in Eastern European archives, asserts that while the Nazi regime killed approximately 11 million non-combatants (which rises to above 12 million if "foreseeable deaths from deportation, hunger, and sentences in concentration camps are included"), Stalin's deliberately killed about 6 million (rising to 9 million if foreseeable deaths arising from policies are taken into account)[49][20] Russian writer Vadim Erlikman, makes the following estimates: executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million out of 7.5 million deported; and POWs and German civilians, 1 million – a total of about 9 million victims of repression.[19] Many historians have suggested that Stalin was responsible for death total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, Gulag camps, deportations and other causes.[57] Simon Sebag Montefiore suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for the deaths of between 20 and 25 million people.[58][full citation needed]. British-Polish historian Norman Davies suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for at least 50 million victims.[21] In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), Conquest states that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, at least 15 million people were killed "by the whole range of Soviet regime's terrors".[59] Rudolph Rummel maintains that the earlier higher victim total estimates are correct, although he includes those killed by the government of the Soviet Union in other Eastern European countries as well.[60][61] Conversely, J. Arch Getty, Stephen G. Wheatcroft and others insist that the opening of the Soviet archives has vindicated the lower estimates put forth by "revisionist" scholars.[62][63]
As you can see, even the lowest estimates place it far above your 600k.
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Oh sure. He was playing ping-pong with Hitler, and they both were keeping the score.
It's not about keeping tabs. We are just comparing total deaths.
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You are missing the point.
And the point is, how many deaths Hitler brought by his desire to redesign the world.
Oh definitely a lot, no one is questioning that.
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Elaborate please.
Hitler's motivations changed over the course of his reign. When he took power in 1933, he wanted to restore German morale by freeing it from the shackles of WW1. It started off with the industrialization of Germany then went on to a desire to unify all German speaking territories (ergo Austria and Czechoslovakia). Obviously, by the time we got to WW2, he developed a Napolean complex and decided he wanted to crush all the other European powers.
His policy towards Jews changed as well. At first, he used them as scapegoats for WW1 and started discriminating them. Then he stripped them of German citizenship and started excluding them from social functions. His "Final Solution" didn't come into effect until 1942.
P.S. I wanted to ask you about your username, cause I think it's really cool. Is it a reference to the Saturn V rocket, the Roman god Saturn or the planet itself?
It is a reference to the Saturn V rocket which itself was named after the Roman God.
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And also for incendiary bombs in Tokyo!
It's not about keeping tabs. We are just comparing total deaths.
