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Old 01-31-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Lies. As always.

Tatyana Felgenhauer was attacked her devoted fan, who every day listened to her on the radio. Echo of Moscow collects sick people. This is not connected with the Kremlin.
Well there no journalists that get killed in my country, even so there is less censorship laws here than Russia. Yet Australian journalists do get killed in third world countries. Yet the safety of independent journalists is not safe in Russia.

In addition the state media of Russia before the attack on Tatyana stated:
Not long before she was attacked, Tatiana and other journalists at the station were named in odious official propaganda programs on radio and TV (in particular, the segment Ekho of the State Department on Russia 24) as “friends of the State Department,” “agents of influence of the USA,” and enemies of Russia.https://www.thenation.com/article/in...targets-again/
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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With whom is the war?
Ukraine is at state of War with Russian separatists in Ukraine. Russia has been backing and has troops supporting the Russian separatists which further complicates the situation.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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They could attack military targets. But they attacked the city. And they knew that children, women, old people would die in terrible agony for several days. Russians do not believe in your tales of saved Japanese lives.
Actually the US and allies did invade some of the smaller home islands before dropping the bomb and the people that lived there fought to death and most of the locals that did die in battle committed suicide as they thought that surrendering to the US would be worse than death. If the US did not use the Nuclear bomb then far more Japanese would have lost their lives in the war and it would result in much larger US and allies deaths.

Actually all the major countries in WW2 did bomb cities including the Soviet Union.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:05 PM
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Ukraine is at state of War with Russian separatists in Ukraine. Russia has been backing and has troops supporting the Russian separatists which further complicates the situation.
You do realize that this basic fact is actively denied by the Russian govt and its supporters? They have an army of disinformation agents to deflect what you stated. Get ready to hear it...
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:12 PM
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In your rant you do not even address what I was saying.....next time read first before lettingthe keyboard loose....
I was replying to the lot of you, your post was the last.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:22 PM
 
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You do realize that this basic fact is actively denied by the Russian govt and its supporters? They have an army of disinformation agents to deflect what you stated. Get ready to hear it...
That does not surprise me.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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Ukraine is at state of War with Russian separatists in Ukraine. Russia has been backing and has troops supporting the Russian separatists which further complicates the situation.
The junta in Kiev attacked a group of people who happen to disagree with them, to "restore order" . Kind of like what happened a few hundred years ago in America. Remember our founding fathers and all of that? No matter how you dress it up it's all the same thing.

Yeah, start dropping bombs and sending troops against people you happen to disagree with can complicate things. Calling them terrorists and threatening their children will too. It was done for all the wrong reasons, to please the new masters, so the thugs in the Kiev government could look tough and in control.


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f2_1517284733


There's not a damn thing those Nazis in Kiev have done right. They're incompetent and insane ffs.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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Russia is a country where Christians and Muslims live peacefully for centuries..
Not so in the Northern Caucasus. It been occurring from the 18th century to the 21st century. Yet even when the Atheistic Soviet Union had problems in that region, and even Stalin deported all of them. Just as he deported the Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, plus numerous Estonians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukranians, Hungarians, Romanians, Finns, German civilians and Poles, and much of them died as a result in it.

Here is a clip on the 1.4 million Poles deported to Siberia in 1940, Just after Soviet Union invaded Eastern Poland, just as the Nazis invaded Western Poland. At least 1/3rd Poles deported survived: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blXwcwjcAjA

Yet of course I admit in my country committed atrocities on its Indigenous people in the past. It is a dark side to my country past.

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Old 01-31-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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Not so in the Northern Caucasus. It been occurring from the 18th century to the 21st century. Yet even when the Atheistic Soviet Union had problems in that region, and even Stalin deported all of them. Just as he deported the Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, plus numerous Estonians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukranians, Hungarians, Romanians, Finns, German civilians and Poles, and much of them died as a result in it.

Yet of course I admit in my country committed atrocities on its Indigenous people in the past. It is a dark side to my country past.
Sometimes you have to break a few eggs. The problem is stopping such things. Look at Ukraine in 2014, people were attacked and many have died because of nefarious reasons one of those is racism. You can't pick and choose sides when it comes to this crap or you are only condoning it.

You need to strip the legitimacy from the governments that do this. All of them. You cant point a finger at one while protecting another guilty of the same thing.
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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Sometimes you have to break a few eggs. The problem is stopping such things. Look at Ukraine in 2014, people were attacked and many have died because of nefarious reasons one of those is racism. You can't pick and choose sides when it comes to this crap or you are only condoning it.

You need to strip the legitimacy from the governments that do this. All of them. You cant point a finger at one while protecting another guilty of the same thing.
Yeh breaking a few eggs like when Stalin ordered the 1.4 million Poles to be deported to Siberia in 1940, that was before the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union.

Or the killing of over 10 000 Polish troops in Ukraine at the same time as the deportations, and the Soviet Media and Stalin blaming the Nazis for the massacre. Yet many years later the Russians admitted the killings were result of Stalin orders.

Stalin was as evil as Hitler, but the difference was Stalin won the war in the End.

Ukraine has problems with corruption and the conflict with Russian separatists will take a long time to solve. Outside of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, the Russian speakers in Ukraine have no major conflicts with Ukraine. Even if there was a uprising of Russian speakers in other parts of Ukraine, as there been attempts to, it was never popular among the Russian speakers living there. Kiev and Odessa are Russian majority speaking cities and there is no popular movement separation from Ukraine.

In addition in Crimea the Tatars there are generally opposed to Russian presence. After all they were only allowed to move to Crimea after the fall of the Soviet Union. They were all forcefully deported from that region in WW2. A massive number of them died as a result in that. There are still survivors of these deportations and these days the ones that were not born in exile gets the stories from their families. Now the Crimean Tatars are large minority in Crimea, however the election in Crimea was flawed. The Tatars and Ukrainians in Crimea largely abstained from voting due to the election being rigged. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4eb1d9bd8e28

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david...b_4992908.html
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