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Old 01-08-2019, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Artists are not prosecuted for political reasons in Russia at present time.
Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zQk-f8vuj4
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:52 AM
 
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Really?
Does Alexey Serebryakov have problems with the Russian government?
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:02 AM
 
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Does Alexey Serebryakov have problems with the Russian government?
Whole russian people have big problem with their government.
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:09 AM
 
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Whole russian people have big problem with their government.
Why does Ukrainian think that he can understand Russian people? Russian people are able to independently understand it is a problem or not. You need to think about Ukrainian problems.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:17 AM
 
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Why does Ukrainian think that he can understand Russian people? Russian people are able to independently understand it is a problem or not. You need to think about Ukrainian problems.
Russian government is a big problem for ukrainians too, because we have common border and russian military presence inside our country.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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1. The most important reason: state must protect religion. Otherwise, religious fanatics will begin to do this instead of state. And it will end badly.
2. PR have dubious friends (Hunter Heaney from The Voice Project).

Artists are not prosecuted for political reasons in Russia at present time.

Curiously enough, P.R. were not denying any religion. They were protesting against the hypocrisy of Russian church and Putin, whom it serves. So it's a different thing. After all, it was a PRAYER. They've asked "mother of god" to remove Putin. The song/action were as political as it gets of course.

And that's why they were prosecuted.

Now how I personally feel about them has nothing to do with it.
As I've said, facts are facts.



These are their lyrics Maxim;


Богородица, Дево, Путина прогони Путина прогони, Путина прогони
Черная ряса, золотые погоны
Все прихожане ползут на поклоны Призрак свободы на небесах
Гей-прайд отправлен в Сибирь в кандалах
Глава КГБ, их главный святой
Ведет протестующих в СИЗО под конвой
Чтобы Святейшего не оскорбить
Женщинам нужно рожать и любить Срань, срань, срань Господня Срань, срань, срань Господня

Богородица, Дево, стань феминисткой Стань феминисткой, феминисткой стань
Церковная хвала прогнивших воджей
Крестный ход из черных лимузинов
В школу к тебе собирается проповедник
Иди на урок - принеси ему денег!

Патриарх Гундяй верит в Путина
Лучше бы в Бога, сука, верил Пояс
девы не заменит митингов - На
протестах с нами Приснодева Мария!
(Хор) Богородица, Дево, Путина прогони Путина прогони, Путина
прогони


English;



Virgin Mary, Mother of God, put Putin away
Рut Putin away, put Putin away
Black robe, golden epaulettes
All parishioners crawl to bow
The phantom of liberty is in heaven
Gay-pride sent to Siberia in chains
The head of the KGB, their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
In order not to offend His Holiness
Women must give birth and love


****, ****, the Lord's ****!
****, ****, the Lord's ****!
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, become a feminist
Become a feminist, become a feminist
The Church's praise of rotten dictators
The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
A teacher-preacher will meet you at school
Go to class - bring him money!





Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
*****, better believe in God instead

The belt of the Virgin can't replace mass-meetings
Mary, Mother of God, is with us in protest!
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, put Putin away
Рut Putin away, put Putin away.


http://www.metrolyrics.com/punk-pray...****-riot.html



So same old, same old in Russia, as it was before the revolution.
The church backs up the rich and powerful, while teaching the rest to submit and to accept it.
While interestingly enough Orthodoxy is essential to Russian identity and unification of the country, Russian church never played the same "community organizing" role as it was in America.

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Old 01-08-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Russian government is a big problem for ukrainians too, because we have common border and russian military presence inside our country.

Remove American military presence, and there will be no "Russian military presence" there either.
Russians do what they need to do for the security of their state.
When Ukraine invites their enemy, it has it coming.

The sad thing is, Ukraine is just used by the US for their own purposes.
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Curiously enough, P.R. were not denying any religion. They were protesting against the hypocrisy of Russian church and Putin, whom it serves. So it's a different thing. After all, it was a PRAYER. They've asked "mother of god" to remove Putin. The song/action were as political as it gets of course.
This is not a prayer, this is blasphemy. Orthodox fanatics are few, but they exist.

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And that's why they were prosecuted.
This is not their first performance. They also performed on the Red square before, but they only received a fine.



https://youtu.be/AiWu92wvwm8

+5-10 years ago it was possible to write critical songs about Putin. I remember a few. The songwriters have not been subjected to any repression.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Remove American military presence, and there will be no "Russian military presence" there either.
Russians do what they need to do for the security of their state.
When Ukraine invites their enemy, it has it coming.

The sad thing is, Ukraine is just used by the US for their own purposes.
We cannot leave civilized way. This is an irreversible process. And I don't believe any word of russian since 2014 like a millions UA people. I absolutely agree of mr. Serebryakov opinion on video above.


"The sad thing is, Ukraine is just used by the US for their own purposes." - our people needs strong leadership (US), not weak (Rus).
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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This is not a prayer, this is blasphemy. Orthodox fanatics are few, but they exist.



This is not their first performance. They also performed on the Red square before, but they only received a fine.



https://youtu.be/AiWu92wvwm8

+5-10 years ago it was possible to write critical songs about Putin. I remember a few. The songwriters have not been subjected to any repression.
Is it Tehran? Saudi Arabia? Paris or Dusseldorf?)))
Moskvabad (former Moscow)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPPgMgDb-w
Think about it mr. Frolov
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