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Originally Posted by improb
I agree with most of your points, except what i have bolded. Aren't middle aged man also refugees. Aren't Kurd, Yazidis or even Shia men who getting persecuted by IS or political victims (mostly men) of the Assad regime refugees. Aren't those hundreds of Syrians who don't have anything left because of war also refugees? In this exact moment, most Syrians are indeed refugees as war is taking place in most of the country and few areas have been left unscathed (mostly the Western half of it where there's still guerrilla)
The problem for me is that only a few countries are willing to take the burden of hosting them, if they were equally distributed according to a few criterias (population; number of refugees already hosted; GDP; ecc.) there would be no such problem in a few Western European countries
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The point is: most 'refugees' are men, in a disproportionately high number and there are dozens of sources that prove that.
Even assuming that those men are all 'refugees', the number of men is simply too high: aside from Kurds, the fighting in Syria is done by men, not women.
So, where are their women and children? Left there?
No true person escaping from war would leave his family under bombs.
Secondly, in the moment they are safe (i.e. in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon) they cease to be refugees: a refugees to be such has to move unwillingly, people escaping from Turkey are doing that on their own will and the fact that they want only to go to Sweden and Germany ( the so much maligned Nazi Hungary tried to identify them and they didn't want) simply prove how they are mostly economic migrants.
Most people hosted as 'refugee' don't have a document or simply get in unchecked:
https://acidmuncher.wordpress.com/20...ren-of-sweden/
Just read this Swedish story to see how ludicrous it has become.
You mention that
only a few countries are willing to take the burden of hosting them, that's not problem.
The problem is that a few countries are willing, against any 'democratic principle' of the EU, to set up a receiving policy that takes in an enormous number of unchecked, uncontrolled and unknown people based on the assumption they are 'refugee'.
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The problem is that nowadays, even us Southern Europeans aren't that willing to work manually. Nowadays Italian, Spanish or Greek youth doesn't aspire to work as a carpenter, bricklayer or electrician and that's why immigrants could be and are already needed, they are willing to do the hard physical work for us and even at lower prices (sometimes excessively low) as you have said. The most obvious way to prevent this for me is to set a minimum wage and more benefits to whoever is willing to find jobs in these fields
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Ah, the old tale of 'the work Europeans don't want to do'.
A myth. Why?
Because it fundamentally ignores how not all European youngsters are educated, it wilfully ignores the reality of European working class (composed of ethnic Europeans), it deliberately ignores the fact that wages have been severely diminished by a crazy competition.
Set a minimum wage?
You don't understand: setting a minimum wage is NOT in the interest of the ruling elite, it doesn't conform to their interest and, above all, slows down the process with which immigration is being obtained.
What our politicians are doing is simply called 'competition over the work': when you can't act on the mark (devaluation, tariffs, negotiations etc), you act on the productivity which means 99% of cases to low wages to decrease the production costs.
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Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia could still sustain a higher number of refugees than they have already done and help us over. All in all, we hosted their people for years after the fall of the Berlin Wall but all of a sudden they don't remember this anymore
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Actually Germany has opened its gates for Poles in 2011.
Furthermore, your analysis fails to take into consideration how Eastern European countries are still on average as poor as most Middle East as they come from 50 years of Soviet rule.
It's pretty understandable that they priorities getting wealthier after 50 years of poverty,corruption and mismanagement?
Your indignation would be much better headed to Arab countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Algeria, Oman, Qatar, Bahrein and so forth.
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