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I never said the contrary. All I am saying is that things aren't as overwhelmingly dominant as Obi Wan is saying. And of course it's really a US thing more than anything else.
Mostly in the field of music. I read lots of books and contemporary Australian writers don't really stand out.
Artists? You'd have to define this more precisely.
Renowned film-makers? They're from all over the world, including non-anglo countries.
Actors? Same thing.
Musicians? You've got a point but this has been acknowledged many times on here (the anglo advantage that is).
Well Australia punches far above it's weight, and I think it's pretty obvious our Anglo connection is a big advantage here. Need I name the Aussie film makers who became big in Hollywood? The list will be long. Compare it to the famous French actors. Basically I can think of Gerard Deprideau and Audrey Tatou who have made any dent in Hollywood. In contrast (you can debate how Australian they are but they are generally considered so), the likes of Mel Gibson, Russell Crowe, Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, Hugh Jackman, Anthony LaPaglia, Toni Colette, Heath Ledger (RIP), Liam Hemsworth, even Rose Byrne among others. Baz Luhrman is one of the biggest directors in Hollywood right now. Sure the French had their new wave and moment in the sun, but France has always been near the centre of cultural gravity.
Well Australia punches far above it's weight, and I think it's pretty obvious our Anglo connection is a big advantage here. Need I name the Aussie film makers who became big in Hollywood? The list will be long. Compare it to the famous French actors. Basically I can think of Gerard Deprideau and Audrey Tatou who have made any dent in Hollywood. In contrast (you can debate how Australian they are but they are generally considered so), the likes of Mel Gibson, Russell Crowe, Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, Hugh Jackman, Anthony LaPaglia, Toni Colette, Heath Ledger (RIP), Liam Hemsworth, even Rose Byrne among others. Baz Luhrman is one of the biggest directors in Hollywood right now. Sure the French had their new wave and moment in the sun, but France has always been near the centre of cultural gravity.
But this is your universe, not necessarily everyone else's. Yes, the anglo culture you are describing does have some level of penetration into all the others (francophone, hispanophone, lusophone, Russian, Japanese, etc.) way more than vice-versa. It makes it ubiquitous in a way. But this does not mean that it necessarily *dominates* and totally squeezes out everything else of another origin.
I live in North America and can name a lot more French actors than I can name Australian ones. This is probably true of most of my friends as well.
Do you actually think that your average person in Brazil knows more Australian celebrities than Portuguese ones?
But this is your universe, not necessarily everyone else's. Yes, the anglo culture you are describing does have some level of penetration into all the others (francophone, hispanophone, lusophone, Russian, Japanese, etc.) way more than vice-versa. It makes it ubiquitous in a way. But this does not mean that it necessarily *dominates* and totally squeezes out everything else of another origin.
I live in North America and can name a lot more French actors than I can name Australian ones. This is probably true of most of my friends as well.
Do you actually think that your average person in Brazil knows more Australian celebrities than Portuguese ones?
Hollywood is still the most international/globalised/pervasive film industry in the world. And Australians have a mainline into it being English-speakers, having a ready source of actors and cultural similarities. Even among backpackers, those from English speaking nations tend to gravitate together. That's basically my point. Do you agree with it or not?
Anyway, as for the OP I'd say Italy. Italian movies, TV, music.etc is still very popular, and almost every foreign TV show or movie on TV is dubbed. Despite it's international fame Italy remains quite insular.
It may be true Italy resists Americanization well but I am not sure that it's dubbing that makes it stand out. Foreign TV programs are systematically dubbed in Germany, France and Spain as well.
Hollywood is still the most international/globalised/pervasive film industry in the world. And Australians have a mainline into it being English-speakers, having a ready source of actors and cultural similarities. Even among backpackers, those from English speaking nations tend to gravitate together. That's basically my point. Do you agree with it or not?
Of course I agree with this last question.
But this is only valid for the anglosphere world.
Now, do you think that people in Brazil would be more familiar with Australian celebrities (simply because they speak English and some are plugged into Hollywood) or Portuguese ones?
Now, do you think that people in Brazil would be more familiar with Australian celebrities (simply because they speak English and some are plugged into Hollywood) or Portuguese ones?
Well aren't Hollywood movies still big there? If so I would think Mel Gibson would be at least AS big as some Portuguese star, but I can't say for sure. Either way, he'd be a lot more well known there than any Portuguese star is known here. Mel Gibson is at least known from China to Chile, whereas in the Anglosphere very few non-Anglo stars are known. You have a few crossover stars like Jackie Chan, but even the likes of Sharuk Khan in India aren't THAT well known outside...
It may be true Italy resists Americanization well but I am not sure that it's dubbing that makes it stand out. Foreign TV programs are systematically dubbed in Germany, France and Spain as well.
Well, not only dubbing, but the lack of fast food chains too, or foreign food in general. It's easier to find foreign food in Shanghai than it is in Rome.
Well, not only dubbing, but the lack of fast food chains too, or foreign food in general. It's easier to find foreign food in Shanghai than it is in Rome.
On this I agree! I was there not long ago and the only foreign food readily available is fast-food like doner-kebabs and the occasional Asian place. Other than that it's wall-to-wall Italian.
Well aren't Hollywood movies still big there? If so I would think Mel Gibson would be at least AS big as some Portuguese star, but I can't say for sure. Either way, he'd be a lot more well known there than any Portuguese star is known here. Mel Gibson is at least known from China to Chile, whereas in the Anglosphere very few non-Anglo stars are known. You have a few crossover stars like Jackie Chan, but even the likes of Sharuk Khan in India aren't THAT well known outside...
That's not the point.
The point is that the total number of Portuguese celebrities that would be household names in Brazil is much higher than the number of Australian ones.
The point is that the total number of Portuguese celebrities that would be household names in Brazil is much higher than the number of Australian ones.
Well what are we even discussing? I said in terms of worldwide fame Australia has far more household names than any European or other country. It's only beaten by the US and UK and rivalled by Canada. So it's either 3rd or 4th in terms of huge celebs in the world, and that's because of it's Anglo heritage. Not bad for a nation of 23 million in the Southern Hemisphere...
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