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I am not so sure it doesn't have to do with demographics. Leeds and Bradford are so close together, both big cities, yet Leeds is 88% white, Bradford only 68%. At the same time the South Asian population in Leeds is 20% lower than in Bradford, where 1 in 4 are Muslim, as opposed to 1 in 33 in Leeds.
Reminds me of Duisburg in Germany, similar size, about 1 in 5 are Muslim, and it is also a very poor city with lots of problems - and the world's biggest mosque outside Muslim countries ^^
Interesting change of topic. Bradford is not a nice place, but hasn't been a nice place for about 25 years. The Muslims aren't the reason for that. Birmingham is alright.
Oh no, Birmingham is a No-Go zone like most other British cities. Didn't you know that? And France is even worse, there are several hundred No-Go zones in France, they are every where. Europe is full of No-Go zones. No-Go zones are every where, each European country has hundred of No-Go zones. You have to watch the Fox News. They know exactly what's going on in Europe, they are experts.
In UK people can be more smiley and apparently friendly, but I observed more hypocresy and false words.
In Germany people are duller but direct and more sincere in friendliness and in hateness.
Just what I thought. That is my experience as well.
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Germany is closer to the equator than the UK. Hence it's warmer. Put it like you want, but the only region that comes close to UK's weather is north Germany which is like on the same level as the UK.
Go strictly west from me, and you hit the southern tip of Greenland, where trees don't even grow. Go strictly east from NYC, and you're halfway between Rome and Naples. Go straight east from Munich, and you'll hit Ulan Bator.
There's so much more to climate than just latitude.
I felt well in every country I visited so far. I really don't care about the composition of the population or the income or the weather. I just need nice people around me to feel well.
I also felt well during a 3 weeks stay in Belarus and Russia, the people were extremely nice to us. But because of the fact that both countries aren't real democracies I wouldn't visit the countries again. But the ordinary people were really wonderful.
I felt well in every country I visited so far. I really don't care about the composition of the population or the income or the weather. I just need nice people around me to feel well.
I also felt well during a 3 weeks stay in Belarus and Russia, the people were extremely nice to us. But because of the fact that both countries aren't real democracies I wouldn't visit the countries again. But the ordinary people were really wonderful.
Real democracies, um, says someone from a country which basically has no opposition in parliament anymore
I am not so sure it doesn't have to do with demographics. Leeds and Bradford are so close together, both big cities, yet Leeds is 88% white, Bradford only 68%. At the same time the South Asian population in Leeds is 20% lower than in Bradford, where 1 in 4 are Muslim, as opposed to 1 in 33 in Leeds.
Reminds me of Duisburg in Germany, similar size, about 1 in 5 are Muslim, and it is also a very poor city with lots of problems - and the world's biggest mosque outside Muslim countries ^^
The thing to remember is that the city boundaries of Leeds are quite large and incorporate a lot of surrounding towns and villages. In reality, the white population of Leeds makes up around 73% of the people. And about 13% are South Asian. Bradford's boundaries are very large as well to be fair - the white population of Bradford is actually much smaller than that.
Like I said, Bradford's decline began way before the huge influx of Muslims.
The thing to remember is that the city boundaries of Leeds are quite large and incorporate a lot of surrounding towns and villages. In reality, the white population of Leeds makes up around 73% of the people. And about 13% are South Asian. Bradford's boundaries are very large as well to be fair - the white population of Bradford is actually much smaller than that.
Like I said, Bradford's decline began way before the huge influx of Muslims.
Shutting down of all those Factories? Must of been pretty grim up north back then.
Partly, yes. I think cities like Bradford struggled to replace those lost industries, such as textiles, whereas cities like Leeds and Manchester were able to adapt to the modern economy more easily, with a more educated workforce. It's the same with places like Doncaster and Middlesbrough, which are very 'white' but have struggled to find a niche in the modern-day world.
It was indeed very grim in the 80s and a good part of the 90s. Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham and Manchester in the 1980s were like Detroit today -lots of empty buildings, population falling rapidly, high unemployment, high crime. To be fair, London was the same - it just recovered sooner than the rest.
What made all those Muslims and immigrants in general go to a troubled place like Bradford to begin with?! Cheaper rents?
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