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Old 07-10-2015, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Why is how people dress important? You see people like the above dressed here as well and it doesn't bother me - and only a minority of people dress so flamboyantly. Most people walking around are probably dressed like slobs - I find that much more offensive.
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Old 07-10-2015, 06:08 PM
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You sound like one of those guys who spends a lot of time online splitting hairs to be right. This is what I am talking about. That guy is your typical fashionable guy in Copenhagen, Helsinki, Stockholm, Oslo....It's all the same disease but IMO Sweden is the worst off. When guys like that start looking normal to you you know you have spent too much time in Scandinavia. Hot girl in Scandinavia:



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How many foreign guys think that they are going to find that walking around in Copenhagen. Don't make me laugh! Happiest country my a$$.
Well Copenhagen is not some beach paradise, but they do have beautiful women. I saw them all over when I was there.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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Why is how people dress important? You see people like the above dressed here as well and it doesn't bother me - and only a minority of people dress so flamboyantly. Most people walking around are probably dressed like slobs - I find that much more offensive.
Yes, there is nothing wrong with how these people above are dressed, quite the reverse. But I think one can often make a conclusion from how people are dressed to their charakter. Here in Germany people that are dressed like plebs or slobs are the worst. They are not only poorly dressed, they are also often rather loud, stupid, or even agressive. Terrible people.

People from Sweden or Denmark have often the reputation for beeing very well dressed.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:45 PM
 
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I don't think anyone local think that Denmark or the other Nordic Countries would be some utopian paradises. We aren't, but it's a fact that these societies are among the most successful in the world. Free education, reasonable wages, long holidays, functioning safe uncorrupted societies, functioning democracy, a police force you can trust, clean environment and so on. What's the reason for being unhappy? Then comes the usual reaction from deniers, who just can't accept that life is quite good here: "depressed, introverted, alcoholic, suicidal, Law of Jante, bad weather", meaning that there just has to be something dodgy, or a flip side of the coin. Like that we have sacrificed happiness for effectivity. Or maybe one reason might be that because we aren't regularly that lively, extravagant and behave like in an Arabic bazaar - we simply can't be happy!

Every country has unhappiness, social problems and points where the society can be improved, also our countries. But I dare to say that we have less of those points compared to Brazil for example.

Here in Germany, the Scandinavian countries still have the reputation for beeing very commendable. About 10 or 15 years ago, when Germany was considered the "sick man of Europe", there were constantly theme nights and discussion forums on TV, almost every evening, what the Scandinavian countries make better than we. What could we learn from the Scandinavian countries, and also from the Netherlands or Switzerland.

Social benefits seem quite similar in Germany compared to Scandinavian countries. At the moment I think Germany is doing very well, but what will happen in 5 years or so, when the labor force will dicline?
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Old 07-11-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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Here in Germany, the Scandinavian countries still have the reputation for beeing very commendable. About 10 or 15 years ago, when Germany was considered the "sick man of Europe", there were constantly theme nights and discussion forums on TV, almost every evening, what the Scandinavian countries make better than we. What could we learn from the Scandinavian countries, and also from the Netherlands or Switzerland.
I believe it is the same with liberals in the US. Scandinavia is certainly not a paradise, but it is well-organized and takes good care of its inhabitants.
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Old 07-11-2015, 01:20 PM
 
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I don't doubt that.

However, it is indisputable that Oslo is so much more expensive than Houston. For example:

It costs $50 for 2 person to have a three course meal in a midrange restaurant, in Oslo, it costs $97.4;
A beer (0.5 liter draught) costs $3.75 in Houston and $9.13 in Oslo;
One litre of milk is $0.98 in Houston and $1.92 in Oslo;
One kilo of chicken breast is $8.7 in Houston and $13.3 in Oslo
Gas is $0.62 per litre in Houston and $1.76 in Oslo;
A pair of Levis jeans is $39 in Houston and $104 in Oslo (really? )

One the other hand, average monthly disposal income is $3,139 in Houston and $3,373 in Oslo, only slightly higher. You can't blame him for thinking living in Oslo is hard.

Sorry, but the price comparisons from Numbeo are mostly completely nonsense. You don't even have to travel abroad to observe this. I just can compare the prices from Numbeo in different German cities. Food or clothing for example cost everywhere the same in Germany, but according to Numbeo there are allegedly huge price differences of such goods. That is so absurd. Those numbers are contributed by internet nerds, that really don't know how much things cost.

And a figure like disposable income is quite useless, because you have expenditures in the U.S. like child care, health care or fees for higher education, that are in countries like Norway, Sweden or Germany already paid through higher income taxes.

All over the world people think that Americans have higher real incomes than in almost every other country. About 10 years ago, I also thought this, because of all those PPP adjusted GDP figures. But meanwhile I find this perception more than questionable. There are so many goods in the U.S. that are so much more expensive than in Germany. I am pretty sure, that when I need €2,000 for a certain living standard in Germany, then I will need about $4,000 in the U.S. for a similar living standard.

I don't know about Norway. For us here in Germany, Norway has the reputation for unbelievable high food prices. But Germans would also say that the standard of living is higher in Norway than in Germany.
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Old 07-11-2015, 01:29 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Yes, there is nothing wrong with how these people above are dressed, quite the reverse. But I think one can often make a conclusion from how people are dressed to their charakter. Here in Germany people that are dressed like plebs or slobs are the worst. They are not only poorly dressed, they are also often rather loud, stupid, or even agressive. Terrible people.

People from Sweden or Denmark have often the reputation for beeing very well dressed.
Maybe if you are really image obsessed, in reality clothes are just clothes
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Old 07-11-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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The median income in the city of Houston (without the suburbs, only the city itself) is $37,000 (if those statistics are correct).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#Demographics

That is pretty low. And there are many run down neighborhoods, mainly adjacent to the downtown area. And that is my main point of criticism towards the U.S. Why the politicians and other people in power don't had take action in an early stage to prevent the decay of those neighborhoods? Those areas should normally the most attractive areas for residents in a city. But it's quite the opposite in most American metropolitan areas. Why they don't have invest in street, sidewalks, places and other amenities to keep those neighborhoods attractive for the residents? Why they don't have stopped the suburban sprawl and instead invest in those already existing neighborhoods? Why is it so difficult to rebuild those areas?

The U.S. could be a much much better place. The country has so many resources and hard working people. It has in my opinion nothing to do with free market vs socialism. Switzerland has very low public spendings and is a paragon for a free market economy, and is doing very well. Sweden has very high public spendings, and is also doing very well.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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The median income in the city of Houston (without the suburbs, only the city itself) is $37,000 (if those statistics are correct).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#Demographics

That is pretty low. And there are many run down neighborhoods, mainly adjacent to the downtown area. And that is my main point of criticism towards the U.S. Why the politicians and other people in power don't had take action in an early stage to prevent the decay of those neighborhoods? Those areas should normally the most attractive areas for residents in a city. But it's quite the opposite in most American metropolitan areas. Why they don't have invest in street, sidewalks, places and other amenities to keep those neighborhoods attractive for the residents? Why they don't have stopped the suburban sprawl and instead invest in those already existing neighborhoods? Why is it so difficult to rebuild those areas?

The U.S. could be a much much better place. The country has so many resources and hard working people. It has in my opinion nothing to do with free market vs socialism. Switzerland has very low public spendings and is a paragon for a free market economy, and is doing very well. Sweden has very high public spendings, and is also doing very well.
I think most people know Houston (like pretty much every other US city) is not that nice or rich... most people live in the suburbs away from the city.

The metro area v city population of American cities are also very unbalanced... a huge percentage of Americans live outside their metros main city... our metro areas also don't really revolve around the "main city" either. everything is all spread out.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Yes, there is nothing wrong with how these people above are dressed, quite the reverse. But I think one can often make a conclusion from how people are dressed to their charakter. Here in Germany people that are dressed like plebs or slobs are the worst. They are not only poorly dressed, they are also often rather loud, stupid, or even agressive. Terrible people.

People from Sweden or Denmark have often the reputation for beeing very well dressed.
People should make more of an effort to look good. Going outside looking like a slob reflects negatively on the individual.
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