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This is the main reason the UK will be leaving the EU. People are fed up with the lack of will on the part of governments to maintain integrity of our national borders.
the politicos don't want us to leave but the British people have had enough of the EU.
I told you, don't bother replying to me when you have nothing to say, ignore me.
You talk about things that do not concern you. It's like you're doing it on purpose.
And I have plenty of things to say but I can't, I don't want people to think I'm looking for trouble.
Well now I'm leaving, like that I won't see posts like yours anymore.
The bold part. Sometimes I get a bit carried away when my country is in a thread title, sorry, I never meant to be rude or trollish.
No worries, ignoring some of the tabloid inspired posts. With regards to the A8 EU countries which joined in 2004, only Britain, Ireland and Sweden had no 'transitional provisions' restricting the movement of labour from these countries. Even France put in place some restrictions on the movement of labour from these nations initially.
Also with regards to my comments on France breaking the rules on migration, that is sadly true. The best example of this is Sarkosy's expulsion of the Romani, it was illegal as EU citizens have to right to reside in any other EU member state. Sweden currently has a massive issue with Roma, but eventhough I am no fan of Sweden, to their credit they have adhered to the rules and allowed them to stay.
Lastly the Banlieues in France are a massive problem. They overwhelmingly contain immigrant populations and have now become an explosive mix unemployment, poverty and religious fundamentalism. In Britain, once we identified communities which had failed to integrate we took massive action to improve community integration. France by contrast has done little and British politicians have told their French counterparts as much
Finally even newly arrived immigrants to Europe seem to understand correctly that there are better opportunities for them in Britain than elsewhere. This is why we have hundreds of migrants risking their lives to throw themselves on trains and lorries to get to Britain at Calais.
The only problem is that while I am a fan of migration, other countries like France have to do a better job of not only taking in migrants, but also integrating them (Only Britain and Ireland are successful at this in my opinion). Britain's reputation means more and more people actively want to go there, which is causing consternation in some circles.
I have been around continental Europe and I have often got in trouble for my views on this forum. But very few European countries achieve much for migrants except for allowing them to reside there. Offering them residency is one thing, allowing them to actively participate in society is quite another.
No worries, ignoring some of the tabloid inspired posts. With regards to the A8 EU countries which joined in 2004, only Britain, Ireland and Sweden had no 'transitional provisions' restricting the movement of labour from these countries. Even France put in place some restrictions on the movement of labour from these nations initially.
Also with regards to my comments on France breaking the rules on migration, that is sadly true. The best example of this is Sarkosy's expulsion of the Romani, it was illegal as EU citizens have to right to reside in any other EU member state. Sweden currently has a massive issue with Roma, but eventhough I am no fan of Sweden, to their credit they have adhered to the rules and allowed them to stay.
Sarkozy isn't a good example. He did nothing good to the country, if I could make him leave, I'll do it. This guy is just too damn uptight and conservative and close-minded and just everything that I hate in a person. He destroyed everything he could destroy, it's the only thing he's good at, that and act like a chihuahua.
Lastly the Banlieues in France are a massive problem. They overwhelmingly contain immigrant populations and have now become an explosive mix unemployment, poverty and religious fundamentalism. In Britain, once we identified communities which had failed to integrate we took massive action to improve community integration. France by contrast has done little and British politicians have told their French counterparts as much
Finally even newly arrived immigrants to Europe seem to understand correctly that there are better opportunities for them in Britain than elsewhere. This is why we have hundreds of migrants risking their lives to throw themselves on trains and lorries to get to Britain at Calais.
Maybe instead of saving money to pay a boat, they should save money to pay a plane, like that there wouldn't be as many problems, for them and for France.
The only problem is that while I am a fan of migration, other countries like France have to do a better job of not only taking in migrants, but also integrating them (Only Britain and Ireland are successful at this in my opinion). Britain's reputation means more and more people actively want to go there, which is causing consternation in some circles.
I don't agree with that at all but I won't say anything.
I have been around continental Europe and I have often got in trouble for my views on this forum. But very few European countries achieve much for migrants except for allowing them to reside there. Offering them residency is one thing, allowing them to actively participate in society is quite another.
Sarkozy is the son of an hungarian migrant who married a spanish woman and an italian one after that. No wonder he has problems with the French identity !
Sarkozy is the son of an hungarian migrant who married a spanish woman and an italian one after that. No wonder he has problems with the French identity !
Totally. I don't even remember how did he end up our President in the first place
How could so many of us voted for a chihuahua ?
The Nordic should adopt the concept to anything coming from outside the Nordic.
I don't mind Danish, Norwegians or Finnish people coming and going as they please, but the south-eastern european beggars sitting around everywhere could be turned back at the border without the loss of anything positive.
Also with regards to my comments on France breaking the rules on migration, that is sadly true. The best example of this is Sarkosy's expulsion of the Romani, it was illegal as EU citizens have to right to reside in any other EU member state. Sweden currently has a massive issue with Roma, but eventhough I am no fan of Sweden, to their credit they have adhered to the rules and allowed them to stay.
First, a European country can expulse other Schengen nationals if they don't respect some criteria. For example, some French were expelled from Belgium because they lived there years without working and living from the local social benefits. And especially if you are a threat for the national security you can also be expelled.
Second, Romania is not in the Schengen Area.
Third, all countries are expelling Romani.. Don't be naive. Your dear Sweden.
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Lastly the Banlieues in France are a massive problem. They overwhelmingly contain immigrant populations and have now become an explosive mix unemployment, poverty and religious fundamentalism. In Britain, once we identified communities which had failed to integrate we took massive action to improve community integration. France by contrast has done little and British politicians have told their French counterparts as much
In novembre 2014, 700 French were doing the Jihad in Syria. 400 British. While 8% of the French population is muslim against 5% in the UK. Moreover, we had our riots in 2005, yours in 2011. We had Charlie Hebdo this year, you had the 2005 bombing. Quite even no ?
Integration is as messy in both sides of the Channel. We just have more illegal immigration because we're not an island.
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Finally even newly arrived immigrants to Europe seem to understand correctly that there are better opportunities for them in Britain than elsewhere. This is why we have hundreds of migrants risking their lives to throw themselves on trains and lorries to get to Britain at Calais.
Hundreds ? There are thousands in Calais.. But.. But..
2013 asylum applications :
Germany : 76k
France : 61k
UK : 22k (fifth in Europe, close to Belgium)
But if you are so proud to see so many people risking their life in Calais because the UK is such a good place with immigrants, be free to take them from the **** hole they are currently living in because of stupid French and British politicians.
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The only problem is that while I am a fan of migration, other countries like France have to do a better job of not only taking in migrants, but also integrating them (Only Britain and Ireland are successful at this in my opinion). Britain's reputation means more and more people actively want to go there, which is causing consternation in some circles.
I have been around continental Europe and I have often got in trouble for my views on this forum. But very few European countries achieve much for migrants except for allowing them to reside there. Offering them residency is one thing, allowing them to actively participate in society is quite another.
First, a European country can expulse other Schengen nationals if they don't respect ...
You answered much better than I did, that was great, thanks !
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