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Old 09-11-2015, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
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Originally Posted by seixal View Post
The love relationship between European left and Islam is less made of love than interest. With the end of transformation industries, commonly known as factories, leftist ideologies such as marxism started lacking an audience. Typically these parties often calling-themselves "worker's parties" had in reality little appeal to real blue-collar workers and most of its followers were professors and other intellectuals. The shrinking proletariat had in the meantime massively moved to right or far-right parties.

It's not so much Islam that they are keen on, but mostly Muslim immigrants who due to their massive numbers and access to voting has become a political market for lefties. Left parties started to court and cater to that niche with hopes of gaining their votes as a second intention. This friendliness is certainly not out of moral conviction or sympathy towards the principles of Islam, nor towards the immigrants population themselves, it is politics plain and simple.

But it is interesting to note that it hasn't always been that way. Around the WWII days Islam was linked to Fascism and Nazism, Hitler himself visited Palestinian Muslim leaders.
Complete bogus. Left-wing parties in Europe historically had massive blue-collar workers following. They were leaded by many intellectuals, but they successfully mobilized the proletariat masses.

And other thing is, most European Muslims are politically illiterate. They don't participate in the political process at all. Most are abstentionists, and even if left-wing parties try to appeal to them, they continue to not vote on any party whatsoever.

 
Old 09-11-2015, 09:37 PM
 
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Liberals are in an 'unholy alliance' with Islam. Together they march hand in hand.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtmsizzCDlk
 
Old 09-11-2015, 10:07 PM
 
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The American Right hates Islam actually; it's an integral part of their rhetoric
Then whom did I quote there earlier? American "left?"
 
Old 09-11-2015, 10:49 PM
 
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Complete bogus. Left-wing parties in Europe historically had massive blue-collar workers following. They were leaded by many intellectuals, but they successfully mobilized the proletariat masses.

And other thing is, most European Muslims are politically illiterate. They don't participate in the political process at all. Most are abstentionists, and even if left-wing parties try to appeal to them, they continue to not vote on any party whatsoever.

They HAD a working class base at one point in the past but not any more. The stereotypical factory worker into communist stuff is really outdated now and has been obsolete for quite a while. On the other hand those nowadays defending the "proletariat" are more often college professors, scholars etc


I wouldn't call Muslims politically illiterate, or at least not so much anymore. And if this would be true for Muslims the same applies to blue-collar workers who couldn't care less about elections. Furthermore this topic is not about whether Muslims are politically left oriented but rather its affinities with Islam.
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Europe
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I agree.
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Polderland
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The European left has a strange tenderness toward Islam and I find it baffling. For one, Islam is the antithesis of liberal principles. On issues such as gay rights, women's rights, democracy, religious freedom etc, etc, etc. So we leftest promoting gay rights why simultaneously defending groups that violently discriminate against the gay community. How does that make any sense?

Case in Point:
We have Jeremy Corbyn meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. Then calling Sheikh Raed Salah an "honored citizen". Even though the man is an absolute theocratic cretin.

The nonstop apologist pieces in left leaning publications such as the Guardian for every atrocity committed by Islamic extremists.

What is happening with Europe's left? Is this a byproduct of the "Frankfurt School". Does the left hope that the destruction of western culture will allow it to be rebuilt along a Marxist narrative?
That is a thing I often wondered about myself, honestly. If Islam took over Europe (which it never will, really, i find those taking- over statements very exaggerated) they'd probably be the first on their black list of "to be removed infidels".
But I mostly take it as a form of misplaced, naive trust in humanity that they will somehow "see the light" once they find out how "great our accepting and open culture" is and that we will all become one happy family ever after.
And honestly I also think it's just a "superiority trip" of the "well fed, successful in live, white western European" that needs to feel good about himself.

And also, offering help makes for dependency and therefor gives power
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:30 AM
 
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The European left has a strange tenderness toward Islam and I find it baffling. For one, Islam is the antithesis of liberal principles. On issues such as gay rights, women's rights, democracy, religious freedom etc, etc, etc. So we leftest promoting gay rights why simultaneously defending groups that violently discriminate against the gay community. How does that make any sense?

Case in Point:
We have Jeremy Corbyn meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. Then calling Sheikh Raed Salah an "honored citizen". Even though the man is an absolute theocratic cretin.

The nonstop apologist pieces in left leaning publications such as the Guardian for every atrocity committed by Islamic extremists.

What is happening with Europe's left? Is this a byproduct of the "Frankfurt School". Does the left hope that the destruction of western culture will allow it to be rebuilt along a Marxist narrative?
thats not the left in the traditional sense , its the PC multicultural left which is a relatively new movement , the likes of the BNP in the uk are left wing on economic matters , much more left wing than the labour party but are opposed to islamic immigration

PC liberals live by a list , a sacred cow lists , the list works downwards in a hierarchy of worthy victims and how valid ones opinion or gripe is , depends on where on that list you are , if you make the list , any anti social behaviour you engage in can be either rationalised as cultural or simply a result of white western interference

im not sure which group are top this week but white straight men are always at the bottom

the media in ireland is infested with PC liberals , the worst things about PC liberals is they overwhelmingly come from well off middle class backrounds and so have very little real world experience , they love to pontificate from their ivory towers about how the rest of us should all think ( let alone live )
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Vik
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I don't think that "European left" has any particular tenderness for Islam - they simply underestimate its destructive potential.
It's more interesting when American "right" has no particular problems with Islam, calling it officially "a religion of peace, hijacked by extremists."
Oh yeah, well, then you haven`t been to Scandinavia, or anywhere else in Europe - which is the OP`s question...you are just so busy mentioning the US.

Your ranting about the US is just plain stupid.

The leftists in Europe has always had a soft spot for islam, and in the future as more and more move away from their ideology - they will need more voters to vote for them.
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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There's a part of the French Left that are radical laicists (is that a word ?) and thus are really anti-islam.
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Vik
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Originally Posted by KenFresno View Post
The European left has a strange tenderness toward Islam and I find it baffling. For one, Islam is the antithesis of liberal principles. On issues such as gay rights, women's rights, democracy, religious freedom etc, etc, etc. So we leftest promoting gay rights why simultaneously defending groups that violently discriminate against the gay community. How does that make any sense?

Case in Point:
We have Jeremy Corbyn meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah. Then calling Sheikh Raed Salah an "honored citizen". Even though the man is an absolute theocratic cretin.

The nonstop apologist pieces in left leaning publications such as the Guardian for every atrocity committed by Islamic extremists.

What is happening with Europe's left? Is this a byproduct of the "Frankfurt School". Does the left hope that the destruction of western culture will allow it to be rebuilt along a Marxist narrative?
The European left started supporting Islam as a counterweight to the US/Israel connection. Anything that is against the US and Israel must be good. To oppose the US is the main goal. They even supported Pol-Pot and Stalin.

You have to remember that the European left has strings to totalitarian communism, and still does. This is seen in how they control the media in Western-Europe, and also how they promote the Syrian situation.
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