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Old 01-19-2016, 07:06 AM
 
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Fraser Valley, BC
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IMO the pronunciation of the R varies greatly by region. Some Austrian and German dialects roll it, some don't. I can't roll it, but some Bavarians and people from the Innviertel do.
In German the pronunciation of CH also varies. I believe in southern Germany in Bavaria the CH is more soft while in Northern Germany it more of the guttural sound. Not sure how Austrians pronounce CH.

Also the G in German it's pronounced quite differently. I believe in standard German The G is pronounced similar to what it is in English. Although in northern Germany the G can be pronounced like the Dutch G the guttural sound.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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To me Swiss German sounds more like Dutch than Standard German or maybe that's just the dialect in that video.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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The R sound is not difficult in English, it's the TH sound which creates problems.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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Most English-speakers pronounce the "R" as a W.
That's funny to hear. So what do you think W sounds like? "Went" and "rent" definitely start with different sounds.

Anyway, our perception is that German and Dutch speakers have a hard time with W, and pronounce it as V.
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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That's funny to hear. So what do you think W sounds like? "Went" and "rent" definitely start with different sounds.

Anyway, our perception is that German and Dutch speakers have a hard time with W, and pronounce it as V.
The way many Anglo's pronounce the W is like "Wh".

Never heard a European Germanic pronounce Wiener as Viener.
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Can you do the Massachusetts R, as in: I pahk my cah in Haavad square?
It's not unique to Massachusetts (really only some speakers in eastern Massachusetts), it's the usual in British English.
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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The distinct "r" sound: That is why Brits and Americans sound funny when speaking Norwegian
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Old 01-19-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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The way many Anglo's pronounce the W is like "Wh".

Never heard a European Germanic pronounce Wiener as Viener.
Okay, time to get technical. From a linguistic standpoint, the German W is articulated just like the English V. In the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), this sound is written as /v/. So yes, from an English-speaker's point of view, Wiener is pronounced "Viener."

In Dutch, V is pronounced /v/ and W is pronounced /ʋ/. This sound /ʋ/ doesn't exist in German or English and is similar to but not the same as either /w/ or /v/. You can look it up under "labiodental approximant."

In English, W and "Wh" (aspirated W) are two different sounds, but most speakers rarely use Wh.
In the IPA, these sounds are represented by /w/ and /ʍ/ .
Neither of those sounds exists in the standard phonology of German or Dutch.

So, it's no wonder those sounds are slightly confusing when Germans, Dutch, and English speak each other's languages. The letters look the same, the sounds are similar, but not exactly the same.

Needless to say, this has nothing to do with R, which has various phonetic realizations in different languages, but none of them is /w/. Still it's interesting to hear that some people perceive it that way.

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Old 01-19-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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^^ Some English or Welsh folks, if suffering from catarrh or a similar condition, will, from time-to-time, pronounce r as w. For example, Roy Harris Jenkins, the Baron of Hillhead, would so-much do this that he came to be widely-known as Woy Jenkins, or just Woy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1Cn4rW5RA

But Noël Coward can roll his rs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxsEYFYgkZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkJSOBmhdGM

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