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Old 02-17-2016, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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I think it is but more so the North East and the Adriatic coast down to Pescara. In reality, the Northwest has been hit hard by the economic crisis and the industry (especially automobile and heavy industry which made a good chuck of local production) in Turin and Genoa was already declining. In fact, both cities have decided
to focus more and more on attracting tourism due to the architectural beauties they hold

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The population in the the inner city of Marseille is poor but the city and its suburbs are pretty prosperous economically. It is just that unlike other large French cities poor are more concentrated in the city center (3rd arrondissement of Marseille has one of the highest poverty rate in French and lower median income).
But economically, is in part with cities in Northern Italy.
Marseille is not like Naples, Naples has one of lowest GDP per capita in western Europe.
The city as a whole isn't but the city center is pretty reminding of Napoli. I think that MArseille on the whole is more similar to Genoa though as both cities have their sketchiest neighbourhoods in (or neat) the city center while the outer neighbourhoods are pretty well off as well as both being the cradles of the Mediterranean.
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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Northern italian regions GDP per capita:

Piemonte..................26,600 €
Vallle d'Aosta.............32,400 €
Liguria......................25,800 €
Lombardia.................32,300 €
Bolzano.....................35,600 €
Trento.......................29,700 €
Veneto......................28,500 €
Friuli-Venezia Giulia....28,100 €
Emilia-Romagna.........29,800 €

Sweden regions GDP per capita (supposley on of the richest place in Europe):

Stockholm...................41,100 €
Östra Mellansverige......25,800 €
Småland med öarna.....26,400 €
Sydsverige..................26,200 €
Västsverige.................28,600 €
Norra Mellansverige......26,000 €
Mellersta Norrland........29,400 €
Övre Norrland..............30,800 €


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...regions_by_GDP

When you post such figures, you should use figures directly from Eurostat and not from Wikipedia. Your figures are from 2010.
Such ppp adjusted GDP figures are always questionable. Because there is no such thing like a basket of goods that is valid for all countries around the world. And such ppp adjustments don't take quality differences into account. A higher GDP per capita also doesn't mean that the residents are better off. GDP is just a measurement for the total of all expenditures. For example a company pays millions for litigations. Such expenses doesn't improve the well-being of the population.
GDP for regions are even more absurd, because economic centers with many large HQ have a higher GDP per capita, because spendings of those companies are imputed to the region where the HQ is located.

I don't say that those GDP figures aren't interesting or that they are completely wrong, but they have a very limited validity.
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Old 02-18-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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When you post such figures, you should use figures directly from Eurostat and not from Wikipedia. Your figures are from 2010.
Such ppp adjusted GDP figures are always questionable. Because there is no such thing like a basket of goods that is valid for all countries around the world. And such ppp adjustments don't take quality differences into account. A higher GDP per capita also doesn't mean that the residents are better off. GDP is just a measurement for the total of all expenditures. For example a company pays millions for litigations. Such expenses doesn't improve the well-being of the population.
GDP for regions are even more absurd, because economic centers with many large HQ have a higher GDP per capita, because spendings of those companies are imputed to the region where the HQ is located.

I don't say that those GDP figures aren't interesting or that they are completely wrong, but they have a very limited validity.
And not only is the data outdated, and with ppp adjusted, the premise is wrong.

The premise was that Sweden is unusually wealthy for Northern Europe, but not the case. Sweden is the 9th wealthiest country in Europe by PPP and not wealthier than its neighbors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita

This is why I would answer "no" to the thread question. If Milan or Turin were north of the Alps, they would not be considered unusually rich. In fact the largest cities immediately to their north are all wealthier (Zurich, Geneva, Munich, Stuttgart, Frankfurt).

Italy overall is a reasonably wealthy country but is generally less wealthy than countries to the north.
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Old 02-18-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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It is quite amazing that the North is still so wealthy when Italy is so mismanaged, corrupted and in bad shape regarding every economical parameter.
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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It is quite amazing that the North is still so wealthy when Italy is so mismanaged, corrupted and in bad shape regarding every economical parameter.
I feel the same whenever I see the ****ing long queues and wait lists in expensive restaurants in Taiwan and the jaw-dropping number of people traveling overseas.
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Old 12-02-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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And not only is the data outdated, and with ppp adjusted, the premise is wrong.

The premise was that Sweden is unusually wealthy for Northern Europe, but not the case. Sweden is the 9th wealthiest country in Europe by PPP and not wealthier than its neighbors.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita[/url]

This is why I would answer "no" to the thread question. If Milan or Turin were north of the Alps, they would not be considered unusually rich. In fact the largest cities immediately to their north are all wealthier (Zurich, Geneva, Munich, Stuttgart, Frankfurt).

Italy overall is a reasonably wealthy country but is generally less wealthy than countries to the north.
Northern Italy is the most industrialized area of Europe together with Western Germany and the Netherlands. In terms of GDP per capita is still one of the wealthiest in Western Europe, but due to the economic crisis in recent years, its GDP per capita has become lower compared to Western Germany.

Northern Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, and the Netherlands is the wealthiest area of Europe (and also coincidently the highest IQ).

At the end of the day, Germans are not united with an area that is permanently underdeveloped with a Third World corruption as Southern Italy, which is the poorest area of Western Europe. If it wasn't for Northern Italy it would have the same development indexes as North Africa, and I am not exagerating.

The wealthiest part of northern italy is Lombardy, Emilia, Veneto, and Tyrol, not Piedmont (where Turin is located).
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Old 12-02-2016, 05:28 PM
 
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Is northern italy rich and developed as southern germany,england,belgium,netherlands,northern france etc?


PS. No, they aren't as developed as Netherlands. Even Lombardy can't be slightly compared to Amsterdam, Groningen or Utrecht. Just Oslo, Hamburg and London surpass Groningen. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statist...015&chapter=06
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Old 12-03-2016, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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How come the Loir et Cher is so wealthy in France ?? the liquor ?
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Northern Italy is socially backwards compared to Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Germany and even Austria or Switzerland. Northern Italy would be more comparable to industrial areas of france.
socially backwards ? in what sense ?
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Slovakia
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Northern Italy is currently one of the richest areas, but the better question would be how long it will last.


Just check how many regions of Italy grew last year, almost all regions recorded significantly negative GDP growth and Italy is not the only country which actually experiences this negative trends in the EU.


eurostat - Statistical Atlas&
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