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You can be a terrorist based on so many things.
These times they just use "a religion" as a reason.
But those people are not muslims.
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Originally Posted by Chava61
These Muslim extremist terrorists are calling to Allah before detonating their bombs. This is their interpretation of the Koran's Holy War.
That is true.
But it is a wrong interpreation or at least an outdated one.
I am not saying there is no problem with religion in many of those strict islamic countries, but stating this is something about religion, is just absurd.
You can be a terrorist based on so many things.
These times they just use "a religion" as a reason.
But those people are not muslims.
That is true.
But it is a wrong interpreation or at least an outdated one.
I am not saying there is no problem with religion in many of those strict islamic countries, but stating this is something about religion, is just absurd.
All right then, if "it has got nothing to do with religion," what do these terrorists exactly want?
What's their goal and what's their purpose?
I still don't get it. Are you saying that Russia should have been targeted by these Islamic terrorists instead of Brussels or what?
No, I replied to Arigarisha that Russia might be the next country to be hit, because the rebels in the Caucasus could even support terrorists. It was a guess.
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Originally Posted by euro123
Could be anywhere really, I think Ariete is making absurd point here by saying that "intelligence is good". The US has the best intelligence and also most terrorist acts second to maybe Turkey. Though now that everyone and their brother is trying to predict, my guess will be: another "French" country. Could be France again, or Belgium or Luxembourg, Switzerland.
It's not absurd. Some countries like France have stepped up their counter-intelligence efforts on a massive scale. It's easier to hit a country which doesn't expect it. In this case it was Belgium, which was a very lucrative target to add.
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Originally Posted by erasure
All right then, if "it has got nothing to do with religion," what do these terrorists exactly want?
What's their goal and what's their purpose?
It has to do with politics, specifically political Islam in this case. Just like the communist terrorists in Western Europe during the Cold War and IRA and ETA with their separatist ambitions were political. ISIS and Al-Qaeda wants to destroy our way of life, but when that is unrealistic, they try to make us afraid, weak, paranoid, and make us turn inwards, so they can destroy and subjucate territory in the Middle East.
You can be a terrorist based on so many things.
These times they just use "a religion" as a reason.
But those people are not muslims.
That is true.
But it is a wrong interpreation or at least an outdated one.
I am not saying there is no problem with religion in many of those strict islamic countries, but stating this is something about religion, is just absurd.
These terrorists are doing it the name of Islam and yes it is outdated/wrong interpretation of the Koran. But they are still doing it. These particular terrorist attacks are directly connected with an extremist/radical interpretation of Islam and therefore are about religion!
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Islamic Terrorism has everything to do about religion. Even if the fanatical leadership doesn't believe the religious nonsense that spew out of their mouths, it is with great certainty that those who blow themselves up do. And there is not doubt that the schools (madarasses) that teach it also believe it. Even those who provide the logistics and cover (like the "good" muslims that were hiding all the wanted Islamonazis in Molenbeek) - they believe it. yes, there is a political aspect to it - but it is a theocratic dictatorship they want that is based on Islamic teaching. Depending on the Muslim you speak to, they may or may not agree on the brand of Islam that they will base their Islamic state on - but it is Islamic. If you listen to a Sunni, a Shiite is not practicing Islam (and vice versa). It is Islam.
"ETA declared ceasefires in 1989, 1996, 1998 and 2006, and subsequently broke them. On 5 September 2010, ETA declared a new ceasefire[20] that is still in force, and on 20 October 2011, ETA announced a 'definitive cessation of its armed activity'.[21] On 24 November 2012, it was reported that the group was ready to negotiate a 'definitive end' to its operations and disband completely."
You can be a terrorist based on so many things.
These times they just use "a religion" as a reason.
But those people are not muslims.
That is true.
But it is a wrong interpreation or at least an outdated one.
I am not saying there is no problem with religion in many of those strict islamic countries, but stating this is something about religion, is just absurd.
Terrorism is the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. It must be noted that this term was first coined at the end of the 18th century during the French Revolution and particularly to refer to the Reign of Terror established by Robespierre.
On the other hand it can't be denied that Islamic fundamentalism has a large and majoritary religious component. Religion though is strumentalized and used as a tool for different means
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Originally Posted by BruSan
A radical concept to be sure but, if you are an American, consider this little anomaly carefully:
Now what's your next suggestion going to be given that far more American citizens have been murdered at the hands of illegal aliens than all the victims of terrorist attacks in Europe combined committed by radical Muslims?
Gonna finally round up all the illegals and deport them? Gonna extend that to the general deportation of ALL Mexicans just because.......they're Mexicans, as are most of the Illegals?
Glass houses and throwing of stones...........
I guess that you will find out that illegal immigrants form the least protected strata of society. They have to face discrimination often bordering on hatred by local citizens, under the table work, unrecognization by any of the institutions of their "host" country. That gives birth to an extremely precarious situation which makes them more likely to be tempted to resort to crime and break any of the laws of their host country
Sadly, this might be the new "normal" in Europe and the West for a while. I know in recent weeks there have been terrorist attacks in the Middle East, in Ankara, Turkey, etc (sadly, people are not surprised when it happens there, but are a lot more shocked when it happens in a European, North American or Australian city). That is not to suggest that there cannot be actions we need to take. But, the question will be what action. Unfortunately, there is no way to totally prevent any future terrorist attacks (bar taking very extreme measures).
Islamic Terrorism has everything to do about religion. Even if the fanatical leadership doesn't believe the religious nonsense that spew out of their mouths, it is with great certainty that those who blow themselves up do. And there is not doubt that the schools (madarasses) that teach it also believe it. Even those who provide the logistics and cover (like the "good" muslims that were hiding all the wanted Islamonazis in Molenbeek) - they believe it. yes, there is a political aspect to it - but it is a theocratic dictatorship they want that is based on Islamic teaching. Depending on the Muslim you speak to, they may or may not agree on the brand of Islam that they will base their Islamic state on - but it is Islamic. If you listen to a Sunni, a Shiite is not practicing Islam (and vice versa). It is Islam.
Religion is a tool and a pretext, as you said. It was so during the crusades, the colonisation of America, the reformation, the 30-year war and so on. One could claim that the German invasion of the USSR in WWII was almost a religious zeal of destroying the 'subhumans'. But historically religion has been only a tool for recruitment. In the end, it's all about power and influence.
People have ideas, I have ideas about many things. And it's our duty as open Western democracies to deprive these fanatics of their tools. But it has to be done in the right way. Just nuking the Middle East won't solve anything. The surviviors will be even more radicalised and with their parents dying in their arms they will only swear revenge to the evil Western fighter planes.
In the West people become terrorists pretty much of the same reasons that if they would join organised crime groups, like the Italian Mafia in the US, Russian Mafia, Cosa Nostra, Crips, Bloods, Hell's Angels, Camorra, 'Ndrangheta... Frustrated young men without education, home, direction, hope of future and reason in life. They will find a home in any radical group which can exploit them.
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