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Note this doesn't mean obese people aren't to blame for their condition. It's still their fault they got obese in the first place. Also note that nothing of what I said should be considered as an excuse to not try and lose weight. There is also a difference between merely being pretty fat and having high levels of obesity.
The reason I felt the need to create this thread is that I don't like the elitism coming from the fitness community which heavily promotes the idea that obese people are only lazy. I mean don't get me wrong, MOST of them ARE lazy. But there is more to it then that.
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EDIT: Honestly I think this thread should be stickied.
Once the word "fault" is brought out, so is the arrogance of the author. I have only one question. What are the credentials of the OP that anyone should take his word and follow his advice on this subject? I could post what I like on the issue too but that doesn't mean it's correct or that I deserve it to be made into a sticky.
Most of the arguments against genetics on this thread use very faulty 'reasoning', to say the least.
I am in the camp of genetics being the driving, but not the only factor.
It's clear that in most comparisons of historical 'obesity statistics' the poster has not established a 'ceteris paribus' condition for the comparison to be valid.
In other words, there are likely several other variables that affect body averages, like the advent of the automobile, or the recent abundance of a huge variety of non-local food, or the incredible explosion of processed 'snacks', or the unprecedented prevalence of electronic devices as entertainment, or modern work-environments that demand little physical effort beyond typing. ..and on and on.
And this just scratches the surface.
In fact genetics may be helpful in decoding the terrible impact of modern civilization on whole populations that were hunter-gatherers living a feast-or-famine existence, such as American Indian tribes, who are prone to high incidences of both obesity AND alcoholism.
But such an admission would betray a predominantly liberal perception that we are all EQUAL and it is solely 'nurture', or our man-made environment that is the culprit, and therefore it is a simple matter to change our ways and all will be made well.
This is the curse of human pride and hubris that blocks our path to genuine understanding.
But such an admission would betray a predominantly liberal perception that we are all EQUAL and it is solely 'nurture', or our man-made environment that is the culprit, and therefore it is a simple matter to change our ways and all will be made well.
Liberal?
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
-- Romans 7
The belief that we are not slaves to our genetics is not liberal.
Most of the arguments against genetics on this thread use very faulty 'reasoning', to say the least.
I am in the camp of genetics being the driving, but not the only factor.
It's clear that in most comparisons of historical 'obesity statistics' the poster has not established a 'ceteris paribus' condition for the comparison to be valid.
In other words, there are likely several other variables that affect body averages, like the advent of the automobile, or the recent abundance of a huge variety of non-local food, or the incredible explosion of processed 'snacks', or the unprecedented prevalence of electronic devices as entertainment, or modern work-environments that demand little physical effort beyond typing. ..and on and on.
And this just scratches the surface.
In fact genetics may be helpful in decoding the terrible impact of modern civilization on whole populations that were hunter-gatherers living a feast-or-famine existence, such as American Indian tribes, who are prone to high incidences of both obesity AND alcoholism.
But such an admission would betray a predominantly liberal perception that we are all EQUAL and it is solely 'nurture', or our man-made environment that is the culprit, and therefore it is a simple matter to change our ways and all will be made well.
This is the curse of human pride and hubris that blocks our path to genuine understanding.
I can't decide if I agree or disagree with you. Do you agree with the idea that there is outside stimuli that is aiding in our society's weight gain or not?
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
-- Romans 7
The belief that we are not slaves to our genetics is not liberal.
Lets leave the Bible quotes out when trying to make a point.
Lets leave the Bible quotes out when trying to make a point.
Why? Don't conservatives commonly use the bible as a source of conservative reference? If so, then it's a valid source of reference to indicate a conservative point to a conservative.
I've known people who had such slow metabolisma, that they literally had to be malnourished in order to lose weight. Eating enough to get their essential nutrient, of nutrient dense food, meant weight gain.
If people can be naturally skinny (like most models are), people can be naturally fat.
Do you even realize you just proved that being fat isn't "natural"?
If you are gaining weight, while not getting enough nutrients, you aren't eating the right things. Not knowing the foods to eat that give you nutrients is no excuse for being obese.
Why? Don't conservatives commonly use the bible as a source of conservative reference? If so, then it's a valid source of reference to indicate a conservative point to a conservative.
This is a forum about exercise and this thread is about obesity. It is neither conservative or liberal and it certainly is not religious.
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
-- Romans 7
The belief that we are not slaves to our genetics is not liberal.
It is liberal in the sense of 'western liberal philosophy' which gave birth to science, empiricism, and free-thinking, which has led us down a path that radical-conservative religions like Islam now so violently denounce.
It is not necessarily 'political liberalism' in the context of American politics that I was referring to, but I can see the connection. The problem with modern political liberalism is that it feels no shame rejecting science, it's birth-child, whenever the evidence produces unpleasant, or unfavorable results for some groups and not others. This stance often creates cognitive dissonance that gets ignored as people articulate the politically correct viewpoints at the expense of intellectual integrity.
But you appear to be a religionist, so this argument will surely fall on deaf ears.
Last edited by Greymatter46; 04-28-2016 at 10:27 AM..
This is a forum about exercise and this thread is about obesity. It is neither conservative or liberal and it certainly is not religious.
Thank you. We seem to be drifting off-topic here.
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