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Old 03-06-2012, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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1208 has a valid point on the conflicts around training to failure. First of all, we have to remember that "failure" is very subjective....some people give up due to pain earlier than others, but it's not really "failure" in that they could, physically move the weight further if they were mentally stronger or had higher pain tolerance. Also, training to true failure can become an exercise in diminishing returns if the body does not have an optimal recovery environment between workouts. As we get older, our bodies do not recover as fast, additionally, if you are doing heavy cardio and/or not sleeping 8 hours a night, or have stressful home/work life, then this will also compromise your ability to bounce back from intense failure training. I personally like to incorporate failure into my training, but only certain body parts certain workouts. I used to be a failure on every set guy, but found when I stopped just short, I actually got stronger/bigger.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Bodybuilding.com - Is Going To Failure Necessary?

Building muscle doesn't require lifting heavy weights, study shows

Somewhere, I can't find it right now, I saw an article with a 5x5 strength training program. The author advocated only training to failure once per week. The other workouts were done just slightly less than that. Every 6 weeks you were supposed to drop your weights back to what you were doing 2 weeks previously.

Intensity is the key. But so is rest and recuperation. I don't have the answers. I just keep reading.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: SE Michigan
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I don't have the answers. I just keep reading.
Now thats the way to do it!

I'll define failure again for the masses.

If ANY part of your form breaks down during a lift that is failure. If you are doing squats and your core is no longer stable but your quads can still lift, that is failure. Failure can be hard to spot sometimes but you need to be aware of the subtle clue your body gives you.

Most lifters define failure as simply the inability to lift the weight for another rep. Its much more subtle than that.
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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That guy tries way too hard.
unlike someone else on here...
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Bodybuilding.com - Is Going To Failure Necessary?

Building muscle doesn't require lifting heavy weights, study shows

Somewhere, I can't find it right now, I saw an article with a 5x5 strength training program. The author advocated only training to failure once per week. The other workouts were done just slightly less than that. Every 6 weeks you were supposed to drop your weights back to what you were doing 2 weeks previously.

Intensity is the key. But so is rest and recuperation. I don't have the answers. I just keep reading.
Similar to conjugate method - i.e, wave dynamic/max effort days for three to four weeks then deload/transition.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Powerlifting Competitions? Trying to lift as much as possible? I think a lot of guys are in the gym to push big weight, whether or not they are competitive powerlifters. Most though, don't train like powerlifters.
Well, powerlifting competition would be a good reason to train like a powerlifter...

The guy with the feaux hawk and the affliction shirt who is maxing out his bench and squat every week just in case he gets in a fight at the club is hurting himself for no good reason.
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Well, powerlifting competition would be a good reason to train like a powerlifter...

The guy with the feaux hawk and the affliction shirt who is maxing out his bench and squat every week just in case he gets in a fight at the club is hurting himself for no good reason.
haha. oh yeah, good ol' affliction.
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