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You would see me in a Starbucks or library hanging out on my laptop, dressed in a tshirt and capris and flipflops. I actually own my own business and that would be working for me. I would not look hurried or stressed, either, because for the most part, I am in control of my time. On my days off, you might find me browsing in a bookstore, having lunch with my friends, etc. Not wanting to slave at the mines, as you put it, does not mean that one is sitting around doing nothing. But even if they are, why would you care? My philosophy is that work is a part of life, not the reason for life. So if I can get all of my work done in 15 or 18 hours per week, then the rest of the time, I can just do what I want. I do quite a bit of volunteer work and I have two kids in school, but if I want to spend my free time reading a book at the beach, then for you (general, not you in particular) to get into a tizzy about it sounds like sour grapes to me.
Not sure what you do, but it's not a typical one size fits all scenario. No, these people I see are surely not working, more like posting updates on Facebook, Tweeting, posting comments on Youtube videos, Pintertesting or Redditing...Or maybe it's Mona Vie or Arbonne or some type of health supplement business that is pulling in thousands of dollars a day, I honestly do not walk up and ask them what they do? I had past business colleagues and a few of their wives did these little hobby businesses to keep them busy when the kids are in school, did they earn enough to pay the bills? No, not even close.
I know online porn is big business down here so maybe that explains it?
Not that I stick my nose into their screen, but it's not hard to walk by and see what they are doing or often hear Gangam Style or the latest viral video being blasted out of their speakers and the laughs that go along with it. I also sit on my laptop checking e-mails and doing some spreadsheet work, and have spotted a few glancing what I am doing, but I am dressed in business attire 5 days week so I surely do not fit the stereotype.
It's an observation and rationalization of the demographic here and the COL, I have a few friends that work from home and are consultants, they do not fit the stereotype you stated. Most work more hours than me and I pull 60 a week on average and still tell me how hard it is to pay the bills and health insurance for themselves and their family. Many do not get paid or have clients who are slow to pay.
Of course one person definition of "work" is totally different from another's or the standard...Kim Kardashian get's winded and stressed doing her Tweets that net thousands per tweet to put it into perspective. I suppose all of these people I see are tweeting their way to the bank then...
The whole point of my post was it's not a good idea to move here(or anywhere) without career goals. Did you read the comment I was referring to? Do think you moving to Florida and not worrying about your career is the "right way".
Moving where you want to live and not worrying about your career is indeed the right way to approach life.
Not sure what you do, but it's not a typical one size fits all scenario. No, these people I see are surely not working, more like posting updates on Facebook, Tweeting, posting comments on Youtube videos, Pintertesting or Redditing...Or maybe it's Mona Vie or Arbonne or some type of health supplement business that is pulling in thousands of dollars a day, I honestly do not walk up and ask them what they do? I had past business colleagues and a few of their wives did these little hobby businesses to keep them busy when the kids are in school, did they earn enough to pay the bills? No, not even close.
I know online porn is big business down here so maybe that explains it?
Not that I stick my nose into their screen, but it's not hard to walk by and see what they are doing or often hear Gangam Style or the latest viral video being blasted out of their speakers and the laughs that go along with it. I also sit on my laptop checking e-mails and doing some spreadsheet work, and have spotted a few glancing what I am doing, but I am dressed in business attire 5 days week so I surely do not fit the stereotype.
It's an observation and rationalization of the demographic here and the COL, I have a few friends that work from home and are consultants, they do not fit the stereotype you stated. Most work more hours than me and I pull 60 a week on average and still tell me how hard it is to pay the bills and health insurance for themselves and their family. Many do not get paid or have clients who are slow to pay.
Of course one person definition of "work" is totally different from another's or the standard...Kim Kardashian get's winded and stressed doing her Tweets that net thousands per tweet to put it into perspective. I suppose all of these people I see are tweeting their way to the bank then...
Probably just the idle rich. I would imagine Wellington is full of them.
The whole point of my post was it's not a good idea to move here(or anywhere) without career goals. Did you read the comment I was referring to? Do think you moving to Florida and not worrying about your career is the "right way".
I definately don't mean to offend. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion for sure. But I think you missed the point of my post. You're one of those typical Americans I described. Classic type A personality, looking to make as much as possible, go as far as possible in your career, and sacrificing your life for it. It's sad. If this is your thing then by all means go for it. No one will or should stand in the way of another's dreams. Fortunately there are a few of us out there that see through the folley of all that. We are the folks that choose to enjoy our lives moment by moment, and get the most out of it. And we recognize that money and career are not the most important things in this life.
Just to clarify, it does not have to be Florida necessarily. It could be anywhere a person feels at peace and likes what they see when they look out there window.. I currently reside in Salt Lake City Utah, a lot of folks around here think this place is beautiful. Forget about the retirement issue for a moment. Personally, I don't care for the place and don't find it pretty. So we're going to leave, simple as that. Life is to short to spend it somewhere that doesn't make you happy. And a person certainly shouldn't trade that for career and money. In my view that's just crazy.
Additionally, I think you may underestimate the intelligence of people. Did it ever occur to you that the folks of working age in Florida right now are aware that they may have an issue when they get to retirement age? Perhaps they know this and are okay with it. Maybe it's worth it to them to spend their time in their idea of paradise. Just my opinion but I always felt it was a bit idiotic to work your fingers to the bone your whole life, save a good chunk of money for retirement and then at 65 move to an area that's visually appealing. So now your old and wore out, to old to enjoy it. Seems like bad strategy to me. In my view it makes more sense to move to the area well in advance of "retirement". While you're still young enough to be active and enjoy yourself. The traditional way most folks do it these days is like...............well, it's like they get old and move to Florida to die. I don't care for that mindset. I am very aware that I may have retirement issues when I hit that magic age. And who cares, so I'll just keep working no big deal. But the job whatever it is will be low stress, and absent of overtime or mandatory overtime, and I will have enjoyed my life and working years.:-)
You know in the short time I've been reading and posting on this sight I've seen a fair amount of..................well, haters. People that live in Florida and get on this site and do nothing but bash the state they live in. I find this a bit disturbing. If you don't like your situation, change it. If you don't like Florida either make it better or leave. Simple as that. And please don't tell me you can't leave for this reason or that, I'm not buying it. It's your life, I believe it's all of our right to live our lives on our terms. I was laid off here in Utah back in 2009. We decided to turn something unfortunate into an opportunity. We sold almost everything we owned, packed the truck and the Uhaul, and moved to Tampa. We attempted to live our dream. We didn't count on the lack of jobs down there at the time (our timing was bad). And so after about eight months we once again sold everything and came back to Utah. My point is this, what we did was very difficult but we did it..........twice. So it can be done. If you don't like it in Florida get out, simple as that.
I definately don't mean to offend. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion for sure. But I think you missed the point of my post. You're one of those typical Americans I described. Classic type A personality, looking to make as much as possible, go as far as possible in your career, and sacrificing your life for it. It's sad. If this is your thing then by all means go for it. No one will or should stand in the way of another's dreams. Fortunately there are a few of us out there that see through the folley of all that. We are the folks that choose to enjoy our lives moment by moment, and get the most out of it. And we recognize that money and career are not the most important things in this life.
Just to clarify, it does not have to be Florida necessarily. It could be anywhere a person feels at peace and likes what they see when they look out there window.. I currently reside in Salt Lake City Utah, a lot of folks around here think this place is beautiful. Forget about the retirement issue for a moment. Personally, I don't care for the place and don't find it pretty. So we're going to leave, simple as that. Life is to short to spend it somewhere that doesn't make you happy. And a person certainly shouldn't trade that for career and money. In my view that's just crazy.
Additionally, I think you may underestimate the intelligence of people. Did it ever occur to you that the folks of working age in Florida right now are aware that they may have an issue when they get to retirement age? Perhaps they know this and are okay with it. Maybe it's worth it to them to spend their time in their idea of paradise. Just my opinion but I always felt it was a bit idiotic to work your fingers to the bone your whole life, save a good chunk of money for retirement and then at 65 move to an area that's visually appealing. So now your old and wore out, to old to enjoy it. Seems like bad strategy to me. In my view it makes more sense to move to the area well in advance of "retirement". While you're still young enough to be active and enjoy yourself. The traditional way most folks do it these days is like...............well, it's like they get old and move to Florida to die. I don't care for that mindset. I am very aware that I may have retirement issues when I hit that magic age. And who cares, so I'll just keep working no big deal. But the job whatever it is will be low stress, and absent of overtime or mandatory overtime, and I will have enjoyed my life and working years.:-)
You know in the short time I've been reading and posting on this sight I've seen a fair amount of..................well, haters. People that live in Florida and get on this site and do nothing but bash the state they live in. I find this a bit disturbing. If you don't like your situation, change it. If you don't like Florida either make it better or leave. Simple as that. And please don't tell me you can't leave for this reason or that, I'm not buying it. It's your life, I believe it's all of our right to live our lives on our terms. I was laid off here in Utah back in 2009. We decided to turn something unfortunate into an opportunity. We sold almost everything we owned, packed the truck and the Uhaul, and moved to Tampa. We attempted to live our dream. We didn't count on the lack of jobs down there at the time (our timing was bad). And so after about eight months we once again sold everything and came back to Utah. My point is this, what we did was very difficult but we did it..........twice. So it can be done. If you don't like it in Florida get out, simple as that.
You do know it is possible to work hard and play hard, right? I'm well on my way to a very early retirement because I've been focused on my career and I've made sacrifices. BTW, I only spend about half my time in Florida right now.
You didn't count on the lack of jobs when you moved here? Your timing was bad? Did you do any research at all before you sold all your possessions to "live the dream"? Now you are doing this again? I'm not sure what you do for a living or if you have any skills, but Tampa is still not exactly an employment mecca. No offense to you, but you're the perfect example of what I was talking about.
That is backwards from the way most of us approach life.
You are correct sir, this is backwards to the way most of the populace approach life. There is not anything wrong necessarily with doing it the traditional way (your way). That isn't what I have a problem with. You are free to live your life anyway you wish, this is America it's our way :-) What I take issue with is that the tone of your posts indicate, or make me feel like you believe that your way is the right way and anyone that doesn't do it this way is wrong. This is simply just not the case. It is not written anywhere that we all must live our lives this way or that. It's up to each individual, and there is no wrong or right in this. :-)
You are correct sir, this is backwards to the way most of the populace approach life. There is not anything wrong necessarily with doing it the traditional way (your way). That isn't what I have a problem with. You are free to live your life anyway you wish, this is America it's our way :-) What I take issue with is that the tone of your posts indicate, or make me feel like you believe that your way is the right way and anyone that doesn't do it this way is wrong. This is simply just not the case. It is not written anywhere that we all must live our lives this way or that. It's up to each individual, and there is no wrong or right in this. :-)
"moving to Florida and not worrying about career isn't taking the easy way out sir. It's the right way out"
I guess you where speaking for yourself when you said this.
You do know it is possible to work hard and play hard, right? I'm well on my way to a very early retirement because I've been focused on my career and I've made sacrifices. BTW, I only spend about half my time in Florida right now.
You didn't count on the lack of jobs when you moved here? Your timing was bad? Did you do any research at all before you sold all your possessions to "live the dream"? Now you are doing this again? I'm not sure what you do for a living or if you have any skills, but Tampa is still not exactly an employment mecca. No offense to you, but you're the perfect example of what I was talking about.
I have to admit that in this you are correct. We did a great deal of planning the first time around, but we did over look one thing, employment. However this time around we will not make the same mistake. Live and learn. The key thing is here I think, that I'm not interested in any high end, high paying career making occupation. Anything that allows us to get by will do, your basic minimum wage job. We have decided that there are more important things in life than making a ton of money, rising to the top of some business, having a huge retirement nest egg and all that mess. Watching the sunset over the ocean, spending a great deal of quality time with family, watching my daughters catch crabs on the shore. This is all free, and much more valuable to us. I have a skills set that could land me just about any high end tech job with plenty of career advancing benefits. But I don't care about that, I don't live to work. My focus is not on my job. It's on family, friends and enjoying myself in an area that appeals to me. Again I must say, your way of doing things is not wrong, nor is it right. My way is the same. It's all in what you want out of life, and how you look at it :-)
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I would not look hurried or stressed, either, because for the most part, I am in control of my time. On my days off, you might find me browsing in a bookstore, having lunch with my friends, etc. Not wanting to slave at the mines, as you put it, does not mean that one is sitting around doing nothing. But even if they are, why would you care? My philosophy is that work is a part of life, not the reason for life. So if I can get all of my work done in 15 or 18 hours per week, then the rest of the time, I can just do what I want. I do quite a bit of volunteer work and I have two kids in school, but if I want to spend my free time reading a book at the beach, then for you (general, not you in particular) to get into a tizzy about it sounds like sour grapes to me. 
