[TriMT7]

Facts gleaned from an Associated Press study of new Florida driver's license applications submitted in 2008:


_ Florida remains the top choice of New Yorkers relocating out of the Northeast, ahead of North Carolina, California, Virginia and Georgia, even though that number has dropped by 45 percent over five years.

_ Last year, the top states from which applicants for Florida drivers licenses originated were New York (42,000), Georgia (21,000), New Jersey (20,000), Michigan (19,000) and Pennsylvania (17,500). In 2003, the top five states were New York (76,000), New Jersey (31,000), Georgia (29,000), Ohio (24,500) and Pennsylvania (24,200).

_ The states that produced the fewest Florida transplants last year, as well as five years ago, were two of the least populated states: North Dakota and Wyoming.

_ Considered as a group, the largest number of new applicants were foreigners last year, as in 2003. Coming from more than 200 countries, they made up almost 70,000 applicants last year and more than 83,000 applicants in 2003.

_ The average age of the new applicant last year was 42, as it was in 2003, indicating that people moving to Florida skewed toward a working age population rather than retirees.


Facts about Florida migration (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/gen/ap/Florida_Migration_Facts.html - broken link)

[DC2Tampa]

That's an interesting cursory look at migration demographics. I'd imagine that the foreign immigration will only continue to increase given how badly things are economically in both Western and Eastern Europe.

[mrkool]

Originally Posted by DC2Tampa

That's an interesting cursory look at migration demographics. I'd imagine that the foreign immigration will only continue to increase given how badly things are economically in both Western and Eastern Europe.

I guarantee you the vast majority of these new foreign immigrants are *not* from Europe.
Try Haiti, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.
Unfortunately.

[DC2Tampa]

Originally Posted by mrkool

I guarantee you the vast majority of these new foreign immigrants are *not* from Europe.
Try Haiti, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.
Unfortunately.

Unquestionablely they are the majority and probably always will be given the proximity. But that wasn't really my point.

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Facts gleaned from an Associated Press study of new Florida driver's license applications submitted in 2008:


_ Florida remains the top choice of New Yorkers relocating out of the Northeast, ahead of North Carolina, California, Virginia and Georgia, even though that number has dropped by 45 percent over five years.

_ Last year, the top states from which applicants for Florida drivers licenses originated were New York (42,000), Georgia (21,000), New Jersey (20,000), Michigan (19,000) and Pennsylvania (17,500). In 2003, the top five states were New York (76,000), New Jersey (31,000), Georgia (29,000), Ohio (24,500) and Pennsylvania (24,200).

_ The states that produced the fewest Florida transplants last year, as well as five years ago, were two of the least populated states: North Dakota and Wyoming.

_ Considered as a group, the largest number of new applicants were foreigners last year, as in 2003. Coming from more than 200 countries, they made up almost 70,000 applicants last year and more than 83,000 applicants in 2003.

_ The average age of the new applicant last year was 42, as it was in 2003, indicating that people moving to Florida skewed toward a working age population rather than retirees.


Facts about Florida migration (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/gen/ap/Florida_Migration_Facts.html - broken link)

This just came out today from the Miami Herald:

A drop in driver's license applications from out-of-state residents certainly suggests they've cooled to the Sunshine State's charms. The number of applications from outsiders has tumbled 30 percent during the past five years - dropping from more than 585,000 in 2003 to about 410,000 in 2008, according to an analysis by The Associated Press.

New Yorkers have snubbed Florida in the largest numbers, with 34,000 fewer applicants coming from what has long been Florida's No. 1 feeder state. That's a decline of almost 50 percent. The next biggest drop came from New Jersey, with 11,000 fewer applicants.

Full article here (http://www.miamiherald.com/775/story/911042.html - broken link)

[Pooring Footers]

The news in FL just gets better and better, LOL! OK, I am halfway kidding. No hate mail

-Considered as a group, the largest number of new applicants were foreigners.

-Florida remains the top choice of New Yorkers relocating out of the Northeast

[Pooring Footers]

Originally Posted by mrkool

I guarantee you the vast majority of these new foreign immigrants are *not* from Europe.
Try Haiti, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.
Unfortunately.

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[DC2Tampa]

"A drop in driver's license applications from out-of-state residents certainly suggests they've cooled to the Sunshine State's charms. The number of applications from outsiders has tumbled 30 percent during the past five years - dropping from more than 585,000 in 2003 to about 410,000 in 2008, according to an analysis by The Associated Press.

New Yorkers have snubbed Florida in the largest numbers, with 34,000 fewer applicants coming from what has long been Florida's No. 1 feeder state. That's a decline of almost 50 percent. The next biggest drop came from New Jersey, with 11,000 fewer applicants."

I'd imagine that that's the case for most or just about every state in the union. The fact is, there's a real estate and credit crisis going on, the country has been in a severe recession for two years. People aren't moving ANYWHERE for the most part so there will be decline in out-of-state DL applications in just about every state.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by DC2Tampa

I'd imagine that that's the case for most or just about every state in the union. The fact is, there's a real estate and credit crisis going on, the country has been in a severe recession for two years. People aren't moving ANYWHERE for the most part so there will be decline in out-of-state DL applications in just about every state.

I have been trying to argue this all along. People are incredibly IMMOBILE right now. Many people are stuck, both in and out of Florida. People wanting in can't sell their homes, and people wanting out can't sell their homes. Plus, it's not as if there are many hot markets for jobs right now, ANYWHERE.


Plus, during the boom years (past five years into the last two of drops), Florida became less affordable for many people, and thus a less attractive retirement or relocation spot. Taxes went up with home values, and it was right then that the insurance rates were the highest immediately after the hurricanes in 2004.

Florida needs sustainable growth, not breakneck growth. A slowdown is welcome.

[DC2Tampa]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

I have been trying to argue this all along. People are incredibly IMMOBILE right now. Many people are stuck, both in and out of Florida. People wanting in can't sell their homes, and people wanting out can't sell their homes. Plus, it's not as if there are many hot markets for jobs right now, ANYWHERE.


Plus, during the boom years (past five years into the last two of drops), Florida became less affordable for many people, and thus a less attractive retirement or relocation spot. Taxes went up with home values, and it was right then that the insurance rates were the highest immediately after the hurricanes in 2004.

Florida needs sustainable growth, not breakneck growth. A slowdown is welcome.

Totally agree, and now with the migrant slowdown and with the passage of the stimulus bill(yeah, minus the bloat and what-not) maybe the state's infustructure will finally be able to catch up with the population explosion of the past couple of decades.