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Disclosure, I didn't read through this entire thread, so I'm just posting my opinion.
Well, I grew up in Missouri. Lived in Kansas City for most of my life, but also lived in St Louis and College towns in Missouri. Now I live in Maryland. Have lived in the DC suburbs (Montgomery County and now live in Annapolis). I get around the area well (NOVA,Baltimore, DC etc) and probably already know the area better than most locals.
Honestly, there is not much difference. Missouri has more rural areas and the southern parts of the state do feel somewhat southern (if not totally southern). But most people in Missouri live in large metro areas of KC and StL and KC and St Louis are absolutely not southern at all. KC is strictly Midwestern (think omaha, chicago, etc) with a touch of west (LA, Phoenix, Denver). StL is midwestern/rustbelt (Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburgh) with a touch of east coast (Baltimore, Philly etc).
Notice, I didn't mention any Southern cities and I don't really think of Baltimore as being all that southern, but maybe slightly more than StL. Rural Maryland can get pretty southern .
Overall, neither state is overly southern and they are relatively similar for the most part.
Even though the plurality of domestic migrants to DC's Maryland suburbs come from the South?
DC Suburbs (MD)
25.4% Maryland (outside the DC metro)
23.4% Northeast 28.9% South
12.3% West
10% Midwest
Here is the DMV as a whole:
38.1% from the South
23.0% from the Northeast
16.3% from the West
11.4% from Maryland (outside the DC metro)
11.3% from the Midwest
Is there like a "one drop rule" for Yankees in effect or something? So if you have one Yankee in a room with 99 non-Yankees, that makes everyone else there Yankee?
So what? Those people come from the South. That doesn't make D.C. Southern. You really are getting desperate. And I know you won't reply to me, so I guess by default, I win.
I grew up in Southern PG county Maryland, but spent a lot of time in the Northeast (New York, Boston) as well as the Deep South (Alabama). I only drove across Missouri (from St. Louis to KC, spent the night in Columbia), so I cannot speak for Missouri, but I suspect that the 11 nations map is more or less on target.
Central and Northern Missouri is more "Midland". The southern part is Appalachia. You will feel the transition moving north to south. I did not feel like I was in the South in Columbia, but I bet 100 miles south of there would feel very different.
As for Maryland, I can vouch that there are 3 different cultures intersecting there. Appalachia in the west, Midland in the north and Northeast, and Tidewater in Southern Maryland and the the lower half of the Eastern Shore. You fell the transition moving north to south and hit is around MD Rt. 214 in southern PG and Anne Arundel counties. South of there has a 350 year history of African slaves working on tobacco plantations and shares that history with Tidewater Virginia. They sympathized with the Confederates during the Civil War. The Jim Crow segregation in southern Maryland was more like Virginia and North Carolina, while it was more like the north in Baltimore. DC has had a significant black population ever since it was founded.
Northern MD shares more culturally with Pennsylvania.
Climatically, the lower Chesapeake Bay area is more subtropical, like tidewater Virginia. Southern Magnolias and hardy palms can survive there.
Maryland is Catholic as it was founded by English Catholics and they were always the major landowners in the tidewater region. It is not Catholic because it is more northern or more Italian/Irish (like Boston).
I really think this is a moot discussion. As border states between the North and South, you will find elements of both in both MO and MD. MD has the added tidewater culture around the Chesapeake Bay that it shares with Virginia. I am sure the boot in MO feels very much like the Mississippi delta region.
There is another break in the culture as shown in that 11 nations map that I could see in Alabama. The northern 3rd is Appalachian culture. The southern half if the Deep South. In between is a transitional area that is mixed.
Maybe another barometer is the number of Historically black colleges - Maryland had many.
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I grew up in Southern PG county Maryland, but spent a lot of time in the Northeast (New York, Boston) as well as the Deep South (Alabama). I only drove across Missouri (from St. Louis to KC, spent the night in Columbia), so I cannot speak for Missouri, but I suspect that the 11 nations map is more or less on target.
Central and Northern Missouri is more "Midland". The southern part is Appalachia. You will feel the transition moving north to south. I did not feel like I was in the South in Columbia, but I bet 100 miles south of there would feel very different.
As for Maryland, I can vouch that there are 3 different cultures intersecting there. Appalachia in the west, Midland in the north and Northeast, and Tidewater in Southern Maryland and the the lower half of the Eastern Shore. You fell the transition moving north to south and hit is around MD Rt. 214 in southern PG and Anne Arundel counties. South of there has a 350 year history of African slaves working on tobacco plantations and shares that history with Tidewater Virginia. They sympathized with the Confederates during the Civil War. The Jim Crow segregation in southern Maryland was more like Virginia and North Carolina, while it was more like the north in Baltimore. DC has had a significant black population ever since it was founded.
Northern MD shares more culturally with Pennsylvania.
Climatically, the lower Chesapeake Bay area is more subtropical, like tidewater Virginia. Southern Magnolias and hardy palms can survive there.
Maryland is Catholic as it was founded by English Catholics and they were always the major landowners in the tidewater region. It is not Catholic because it is more northern or more Italian/Irish (like Boston).
I really think this is a moot discussion. As border states between the North and South, you will find elements of both in both MO and MD. MD has the added tidewater culture around the Chesapeake Bay that it shares with Virginia. I am sure the boot in MO feels very much like the Mississippi delta region.
There is another break in the culture as shown in that 11 nations map that I could see in Alabama. The northern 3rd is Appalachian culture. The southern half if the Deep South. In between is a transitional area that is mixed.
Maybe another barometer is the number of Historically black colleges - Maryland had many.
Southern Missouri is in the Ozarks; like Appalachia but not the same region geographically.
Maryland is a liberal northern state. I don't think MO qualifies as Southern either, but it's certainly closer to it than one of the most liberal states in the country.
Maryland is a very odd state, it is dominated by washington dc and baltimore and seems very liberal but it still can elect someone like Michael Peroutka to anne arundel council. Maryland had huge southern sympathies in the civil war, there was a large southern style aristocracy in southern maryland and around the eastern shore and chesapeake area.
I think most of the suburbs of Dc are alot like suburbs anywhere, western maryland seems alot like pennsylvania and a few places in southern maryland and eastern shore are pretty southern. We are an odd state
You just have to listen to the lyrics of maryland state song to see how southern leaning it was, Maryland produced this guy
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