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^ I'm not going to argue with you but nj is a lot different from nyc to a native New Yorker, even if a lot of Italians live in nj.
I completely disagree with this.
Most NYC-area Italians don't even live in NYC. They're out in places like Central NJ. I don't really see a difference if they move to NJ or to Long Island, it's all the same metro area.
They usually pick an area based on where they're coming from (so for example, Staten Islanders will go to Central NJ, as Long Island would make no sense). It's just a function of geography.
Sorry but the Northeast is everything from PA/DE North and East.
DE is a northeast state because 70% of the population or so is in Greater Philly, which is Northeast.
Even though DE south of Dover (or even Dover) is more mid-Atlantic.
MD/DC/VA are mid-atlantic states.
They do not have a historical record of being in the North, their traditional culture is more southern than northern, but not really either, economically they are more tied to the Northeast corridor than the deep south.
Hence, why they are mid-atlantic.
Mid-Atlantic=Not quite north, not quite south=100% NOVA/DC/MD.
Mid-Atlantic=Not quite north, not quite south=100% NOVA/DC/MD.
To me, Mid-Atlantic is the Northeast.
For one, no one says they're from the Mid-Atlantic. For another, if you include Mid-Atlantic, then Philly and NYC have to be included to, as they are technically Mid-Atlantic. And finally, we're talking "which areas are most similar in 2014". In 2014 a Maryland suburb of DC isn't really very different than a Connecticut suburb of NYC. Greenwich, CT doesn't look, feel or act that different from Bethesda, MD.
For one, no one says they're from the Mid-Atlantic. For another, if you include Mid-Atlantic, then Philly and NYC have to be included to, as they are technically Mid-Atlantic. And finally, we're talking "which areas are most similar in 2014". In 2014 a Maryland suburb of DC isn't really very different than a Connecticut suburb of NYC. Greenwich, CT doesn't look, feel or act that different from Bethesda, MD.
This is where it gets to be semantics.
To me:
Northeast=New England+Tri State NY (NY/NJ)+tri State Philly (PA/DE)
Mid-Atlantic=DMV
South: NC to Texas
Northeast Corridor=DC to Boston (and really Portland, Maine to NOVA).
If we say NY and Philly are mid-atlantic, than we are saying the only major metro area in the Northeast is Boston, which is wrong.
You are right though that yes, a DC suburb in NOVA or MD has much more in common, demographically, with Fairfield County than with Roanoake, VA.
In 2014 a Maryland suburb of DC isn't really very different than a Connecticut suburb of NYC. Greenwich, CT doesn't look, feel or act that different from Bethesda, MD.
I'm glad to see someone point this out. There are posters on here who will ignore that places like Bethesda or Potomac exist in Maryland. For some reason, they will also ignore that 70% of Maryland's population is not African American. They're the wrong demographic, I guess.
They also don't like that Maryland has the highest % of millionaires of any state in the U.S. But hey, what can I do?
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Northeast=New England+Tri State NY (NY/NJ)+tri State Philly (PA/DE) Mid-Atlantic=DMV
South: NC to Texas
Northeast Corridor=DC to Boston (and really Portland, Maine to NOVA).
If we say NY and Philly are mid-atlantic, than we are saying the only major metro area in the Northeast is Boston, which is wrong.
You are right though that yes, a DC suburb in NOVA or MD has much more in common, demographically, with Fairfield County than with Roanoake, VA.
This is not right. The Mid-Atlantic has long been part of the Northeast since colonial times. Only sometime in the last 100 years or so has the term seemed to spread down to the Chesapeake Bay region.
I used before the example of the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools which was founded in Pennsylvania in 1887. The name at that time was the Association of the Colleges and Secondary Schools of the Middle States and Maryland. Note it says AND MARYLAND. Probably because at that time Maryland was not yet considered one of the Middle States.
Not to mention that there are 4 large regions in this country - West, Midwest, Northeast and the South. You are treating the Mid-Atlantic as a fifth region which only covers 2 or 3 states. It would be too small to be its own region.
I'm glad to see someone point this out. There are posters on here who will ignore that places like Bethesda or Potomac exist in Maryland. For some reason, they will also ignore that 70% of Maryland's population is not African American. They're the wrong demographic, I guess.
There are also places like North Decatur in Atlanta. Very affluent. Very Jewish. Very liberal (many are NYC transplants). Is it northeastern?
There are also places like North Decatur in Atlanta. Very affluent. Very Jewish. Very liberal (many are NYC transplants). Is it northeastern?
Nothing against Atlanta, but it is not close to the level of affluence and liberalism of the DC metro area. We're looking at the overall picture here, not pick and choose. This is a whole other ball game.
Nothing against Atlanta, but it is not close to the level of overall affluence and liberalism of the DC metro area. This is a whole other ball game.
You are becoming the East Coast version of 18Montclair.
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer
We're looking at the overall picture here, not pick and choose.
Ha. That's funny.
Since you're so obsessed with affluence, why do you live in Silver Spring? That's considered the ghetto by the people with real money who live in places like Kensington, Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Great Falls, etc.
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