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Old 09-15-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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Here are a couple of things that indicate German roots: German American Society of Central New York - Home

Turner Movement
Turners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-15-2014, 04:50 PM
 
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That shows you how stupid society is because if you can't tell by looking at a person what religion they are. Lot of Jewish women I know have blonde hair and blue eyes and same with Catholics.
You're overlooking the fact that broad racial groupings (whiteness especially) are a social construct. Physical appearance is just one piece of the puzzle.
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Old 09-15-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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Another Western city:

Denver 2,543,000

Non-Hispanic white 1,674,000 (65.8%)

German 523,000 20.5%
English/American 392,000 15.4%
Irish 308,000 12%
Italian 136,000 5.3%
Jewish 71,000 2.8%
Polish 68,000 2.7%

Irish + Italian + Jewish + Polish: 22.9% (35% of NHW population)
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Old 09-15-2014, 05:14 PM
 
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Summary of cities so far:

Irish + Italian + Jewish + Polish:

New York 40.4% (84% of NHW population)
Philadelphia 45.1% (69%)
Buffalo 53.1% (67%)
Miami 23.2% (67%)
Boston 48.7% (65%)
Chicago 32.2% (55%)
Pittsburgh 46.9% (54%)
Rochester 41.4% (52%)
Cleveland 37.3% (52%)
San Francisco 22% (52%)
Baltimore 29.3% (49%)
Los Angeles 18.4% (45%)
Detroit 30% (44%)
Washington 20.4% (42%)
New Orleans 19.3% (36%)
Denver 22.9 (35%)
Seattle 18.4 (27%)

Southern and Eastern European ancestries + Jewish:

New York 32.7% (67% of NHW population)
Miami 19.2% (55%)
Buffalo 37.8% (47%)
Cleveland 29.9% (42%)
Chicago 23.2% (42%)
Pittsburgh 31.8% (37%)
San Francisco 15.4% (36%)
Rochester 26.8% (33%)
Detroit 22.2% (33%)
Los Angeles 10.5% (33%)
Baltimore 17.8% (30%)
Washington 12.6% (26%)
New Orleans 11.2% (21%)
Denver 12.4% (19%)
Seattle 9.4% (14%)

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Old 09-15-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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One thing to keep in mind about "double-counting": in most major cities, the great majority (though by no means all) people who select "Russian" ancestry are Jewish. This applies to both descendants of turn-of-the-century immigrants from the Russian empire and more recent arrivals from the former USSR/present-day Russian nation. The correlation is strong to the point that in most parts of the country a given place's Jewish population can be closely estimated using reported Russian ancestry.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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That's well known and that's why I excluded Russian from the count. I've tallied up Czech, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Portuguese and Ukrainian (other groups are too small and aren't listed on usa.com).
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:04 PM
 
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That's well known and that's why I excluded Russian from the count. I've tallied up Czech, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Portuguese and Ukrainian (other groups are too small and aren't listed on usa.com).
Well-known by demographic super-junkies, yes, but certainly not most people (not even most city-data posters).

You can also find more comprehensive demographic data using the Census Factfinder.
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Well-known by demographic super-junkies, yes, but certainly not most people (not even most city-data posters).
I thought the same might be true for Polish, at least in some areas. Not a "vast majority" but substantial in some places.

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You can also find more comprehensive demographic data using the Census Factfinder.
The census factfinder lacks a Jewish number.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:16 PM
 
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Doing 2 separate counts for Irish/Italian/Jewish/Polish and southern and eastern European + Jewish is interesting. The difference between the "ethnic" bastions of the Northeast and Great Lakes and the rest of the country is sharper if the Irish are excluded. That's because it's difficult to separate the more visible Irish Catholics of the Northeast from the more assimilated, Protestant and Scots-Irish more prevalent in the West and South.

It would be interesting if just single-ancestry Irish were available. In Boston, it wouldn't surprise me if a majority of the Irish there were still solely of Irish ancestry. But in Los Angeles, Denver, Seattle, etc., I'm pretty sure most of the "Irish" respondents are also part-English, part-Scottish, part-German, etc.

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Old 09-15-2014, 06:20 PM
 
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I thought the same might be true for Polish, at least in some areas. Not a "vast majority" but substantial in some places.
Nowhere near the point of being a correlator. In fact, I think Jewish/Gentile Poles immigrated at about the same rate. Romanian and Austrian ancestry probably correlates decently, but even among Jews, the proportion is far too small to be reliable, especially when examining by municipality or census tract.


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The census factfinder lacks a Jewish number.
I was talking about other miscellaneous white ethnic groups, not Jews. JewishDataBank is the treasure trove for... well, you know.


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It would be interesting if just single-ancestry Irish were available. In Boston, it wouldn't surprise me if a majority of the Irish there were still solely of Irish ancestry. But in Los Angeles, Denver, Seattle, etc., I'm pretty sure most of the "Irish" respondents are also part-English, part-Scottish, part-German, etc.
It's on the factfinder. It's just a little harder to unearth. I can post figures if you'd like.
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