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Putting in transit, after a place has already grown out of control based on the automobile, is like putting lights on a Christmas tree after you already decorated it.
Putting in transit, after a place has already grown out of control based on the automobile, is like putting lights on a Christmas tree after you already decorated it.
Not when a Metro has a heavy rail backbone with respectable ridership already in place.
Or are you referencing The Triangle, and not Atlanta?
Nope. Atlanta at least has heavy rail. Try Houston, that only has few measly light rail lines.
Nope. Houston as much better highway network. Having used all forms of public transportation in both cities, Atlanta's is the most insufficient even with heavy rail.
Nope. Houston as much better highway network. Having used all forms of public transportation in both cities, Atlanta's is the most insufficient even with heavy rail.
Highways =/= transit. It's obvious Houston has a better highway network.
And for some reason, I don't believe that you've used all forms of public transportation in both cities or if you did, it certainly wasn't frequent enough to make an informed decision concerning the topic at hand. If so, when and how many times have you used each form?
How exactly is Atlanta's mass transit network more insufficient than Houston's?
Highways =/= transit. It's obvious Houston has a better highway network.
And for some reason, I don't believe that you've used all forms of public transportation in both cities or if you did, it certainly wasn't frequent enough to make an informed decision concerning the topic at hand. If so, when and how many times have you used each form?
How exactly is Atlanta's mass transit network more insufficient than Houston's?
It's not - in any way, shape or form. That must have been a joke.
Putting in transit, after a place has already grown out of control based on the automobile, is like putting lights on a Christmas tree after you already decorated it.
Yes to this,,, But guess what, some one has to do it even though it's not a fun or easy job or the Tree will not be quite right. I have actually saw a few Christmas tree's with out lights a few time and I must admit, something really felt missing..lol.
Putting in transit, after a place has already grown out of control based on the automobile, is like putting lights on a Christmas tree after you already decorated it.
So you don't think adding transit will help any of the boomtown sunbelt cities (Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Dallas, Raleigh etc.)? Because adding more highways and lanes to highways sure isn't helping anything. You need a combination of both to really offer people alternatives. Atlanta is not trying to reduce traffic at this point, but it must provide more alternatives. That is what this is all really about.
Not when a Metro has a heavy rail backbone with respectable ridership already in place.
Or are you referencing The Triangle, and not Atlanta?
No. I am talking about everywhere. Most American cities' planning & growth post WWII has almost exclusively been based on cars. It's an enormous conundrum across the country and it cannot be solved for those highly car dependent communities. We cannot make those communities "rail only communities" without an absolutely enormous investment that isn't going to happen without a monumental shift in the public narrative around funding infrastructure and taxes.
For car dependent suburbia, and IMO, the best we can hope for is redevelopment to create new-urbanism walkable communities to serve these distributed suburban communities to lessen the amount of daily activities that are dependent on a car.
FWIW, the Triangle is also planning its heavy commuter rail future onto its existing rail backbone too. High growth/high density nodes can be planned along that backbone. I suspect that this can happen in most American cities, but it won't come close to covering everywhere.
So you don't think adding transit will help any of the boomtown sunbelt cities (Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Dallas, Raleigh etc.)? Because adding more highways and lanes to highways sure isn't helping anything. You need a combination of both to really offer people alternatives. Atlanta is not trying to reduce traffic at this point, but it must provide more alternatives. That is what this is all really about.
That's not what I am saying.
Adding effective rail will not make existing car suburbia issues better. It can only hope to slow the worsening problems. Existing suburban areas need to study what can be done to improve their situation with the goal to reduce the quantity of car trips that need to be made.
Adding rail transit has to be part of a future growth plan that is enabled by it and leverages it. This means high density nodes along rail require a fundamental change in how we engage our personal and shared environments in our day to day lives. If we cannot support daily life needs without the use of a car, we'll fail. This is not to say that everything and everywhere needs to be supported by rail or that every node needs everything. We just need to map out how people actually live their lives. We need community transit nodes that support walking, cycling and have other "very local" transit options like circulating busses and trollies for their immediate communities.
Adding rail does not fix the problems we have. Adding rail enables us to grow differently in the future and not add to our problems.
Let's do what we can to reduce our car trips. It's unattainable to expect that we are going to eliminate them altogether.
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But guess what, some one has to do it even though it's not a fun or easy job or the Tree will not be quite right. I have actually saw a few Christmas tree's with out lights a few time and I must admit, something really felt missing..lol.
