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No, but they take that with them when they move out of the region, like to the South.
Fine. But that was not my point. My point was that "pop" is not totally midwestern. It's used throughout W. Virginia, central Virginia, Oklahoma, and also in much of the western US. Parts of Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia and Florida also use "pop".
For some reason, far western New York (Buffalo, etc) is never referred to as "midwestern", nor are West Virginia, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia or Florida just because they use "pop". In fact, it appears the only states that do not use "pop" anywhere within their boundaries are California, Arizona, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
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I will, and have in this thread. Buffalo neatly fits the Midwest/Rust Belt archetype as a city. It has more in common with Milwaukee, Cleveland or Detroit than it does with Boston, Philadelphia or NYC.
I don't really like to deal in absolutes and generalizations, but I'm also not trying to write an essay on every post.
Pittsburgh is my favorite city in the United States of America for several reasons. The fact that there's no other place like it is a big one.
I will, and have in this thread. Buffalo neatly fits the Midwest/Rust Belt archetype as a city. It has more in common with Milwaukee, Cleveland or Detroit than it does with Boston, Philadelphia or NYC.
I don't really like to deal in absolutes and generalizations, but I'm also not trying to write an essay on every post.
Pittsburgh is my favorite city in the United States of America for several reasons. The fact that there's no other place like it is a big one.
You would get a lot of push-back from the residents of Buffalo about that.
Personally I consider Louisville and Pittsburgh to be honorary Midwest cities. I suppose you could put Buffalo in there too, but it's just a wee bit too far from a border of a Midwest state to count, in my book.
You would get a lot of push-back from the residents of Buffalo about that.
I'm sure I will, but it doesn't make it not so.
"Rust Belt" extends outside a geographic area. NYC's manufacturing went bust too and it was part of its economic nadir in the 70s, but being the financial center propped it up. Buffalo follows the same postindustrial pattern of Cleveland and similar cities with their service economies. Pittsburgh is the same thing, except that it's made itself the model the rest of the cities like it are following.
"Rust Belt" extends outside a geographic area. NYC's manufacturing went bust too and it was part of its economic nadir in the 70s, but being the financial center propped it up. Buffalo follows the same postindustrial pattern of Cleveland and similar cities with their service economies. Pittsburgh is the same thing, except that it's made itself the model the rest of the cities like it are following.
Meaning, not all the "Rust Belt" is in the midwest.
Fine. But that was not my point. My point was that "pop" is not totally midwestern. It's used throughout W. Virginia, central Virginia, Oklahoma, and also in much of the western US. Parts of Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia and Florida also use "pop".
For some reason, far western New York (Buffalo, etc) is never referred to as "midwestern", nor are West Virginia, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Georgia or Florida just because they use "pop". In fact, it appears the only states that do not use "pop" anywhere within their boundaries are California, Arizona, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
When I used the word "pop" when I stopped in Alabama, they had no idea what I was talking about. I suspect the people that use that term in Alabama are transplants from "pop" country.
But again, that phenomenon is pervasive in the Midwest. Much like "pop."
I'm not sure what we're arguing. The rust belt really spans the Great Lakes (most of it is inside the Midwest) but also affects portions of the northeast. While Philadelphia and Baltimore are not usually referred to as rust belt they suffer from all the usual problems of rust belt cities. I believe Philadelphia is rebounding.
On the otherhand, a lot of the midwest has nothing whatsoever to do with the Great Lakes. Someone in North Dakota has no connection to the rust belt.
I actually find the geopolitical term "Midwest" to be very useless. As someone who grew up in the Detroit area, I always felt closer to people in Pittsburgh or Buffalo than I did to people in Minneapolis. Culturally that is.
It has the worst ghettos! And depressing community for blacks and Hispanics!
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