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In cases like Compton it's "ethnic succession", not gentrification anyway.
And Hispanics is a huge group. In places like Cal or Texas there are just as many rich Hispanics (at times identified themselves as "White") that had been in US for years compare to the "migrant/immigrant" population which tends to be poor and working class.
Paterson, The Bronx, Jamaica Plain, Dorchester, Compton, East Camden, Lower East Side, Harlem certain parts of Philadelphia, Lynn and North Washington DC got better when Hispanics moved in. Not the best areas still, but they improved considerably over decades.
People tend to forget that Texas and California are half Hispanic, Florida almost 30%, all "prosperous" desirable states.
Florida "prosperous"? I wouldn't characterize it that way. FL has one of the largest income disparities of all the states. Lots of wealth, but much, much more poverty and lower income than the typical state.
Does Compton have a Whole Foods? If not then it isn't gentrified.
Right? Unless you can name comparable high end retails in the areas 'gentrified' by Hispanics then it's not really gentrification.
For Asians I think H-Mart might be a good analog. It seems to be patronized by higher income folks. Maybe there's something like a higher end Fiesta in the Hispanic community.
I don't think there's any neighborhoods in Houston that was 'lifted' by Hispanics. Mostly the income level of the amenities stayed about the same as before.
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I trust you have not been to those areas and are clinging to outdated 1980’s images of Miami or have it confused with the South Bronx. The elite, wealthy expat Cubans who first came over and later, other wealthy expats from South America most certainly gentrified parts—not all—of Miami. Prior, it was a seasonal retiree, hick town.
Brickell (who do you think turned it into an international banking center and is responsible for all the modern, expensive high rises—developers and residents?), Coral Gables—including its affluent water communities, etc etc are quite the backwater slums…lol. The fact it HAS gentrified is why many are choosing to move here (including non Latinos) which in turn has attracted more and superior urban amenities such as high end retail (top 3 in the nation), top tier restaurants/restauranteurs from elsewhere, the arts, and premier events—thanks in large measure to Latino gentrification.
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That's not gentrification. Gentrification has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, it's all about socioeconomics. An area is gentrified when a group with more money and a higher education level moves in.
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I trust you have not been to those areas and are clinging to outdated 1980’s images of Miami or have it confused with the South Bronx. The elite, wealthy expat Cubans who first came over and later, other wealthy expats from South America most certainly gentrified parts—not all—of Miami. Prior, it was a seasonal retiree, hick town.
Brickell (who do you think turned it into an international banking center and is responsible for all the modern, expensive high rises—developers and residents?), Coral Gables—including its affluent water communities, etc etc are quite the backwater slums…lol. The fact it HAS gentrified is why many are choosing to move here (including non Latinos) which in turn has attracted more and superior urban amenities such as high end retail (top 3 in the nation), top tier restaurants/restauranteurs from elsewhere, the arts, and premier events—thanks in large measure to Latino gentrification.
What you are describing is ethnic succession, not gentrification. In your example of Coral Gables, its predominately Anglo wealthy population of years ago has been replaced by a predominately Hispanic wealthy population. A more accurate example of gentrification would be South Beach. Up until the 1980s, this area of Miami Beach was the most rundown n'hood in MB. The people who lived there had low incomes, many were retired working class pensioners from NYC. Today SB is a posh address with high income professionals. Yes, many of them happen to be South Americans, but that's besides the point. Gentrification is about socioeconomic status, not race or ethnicity.
What you are describing is ethnic succession, not gentrification. In your example of Coral Gables, its predominately Anglo wealthy population of years ago has been replaced by a predominately Hispanic wealthy population. A more accurate example of gentrification would be South Beach. Up until the 1980s, this area of Miami Beach was the most rundown n'hood in MB. The people who lived there had low incomes, many were retired working class pensioners from NYC. Today SB is a posh address with high income professionals. Yes, many of them happen to be South Americans, but that's besides the point. Gentrification is about socioeconomic status, not race or ethnicity.
The area around Houston with high income Latin Americans, the Woodlands, also was already affluent before the demographic transition. Generally speaking foreigners and expats with means tend not to have the 'pioneering spirit' needed to move into iffy areas, which is a big part of gentrification.
The area around Houston with high income Latin Americans, the Woodlands, also was already affluent before the demographic transition. Generally speaking foreigners and expats with means tend not to have the 'pioneering spirit' needed to move into iffy areas, which is a big part of gentrification.
Adding on - Woodlands is literally the oasis for rich Mexicans, some of them probably going back and forth between the two countries doing business.
As for "pioneering spirit" - there are areas where Hispanic immigrants start business and at least make the area somewhat thriving. It is not quite gentrification as the businesses still tend to cater to lower income Hispanic that lives in the area, but at least there are people milling around and the area become somewhat safer.
One of my favorite example of that is North Lawndale (majority black) v. South Lawndale (aka "La Villita", majority Mexican) in West Side Chicago. North Lawndale is rundown with board up houses, high crime, high poverty. South Lawndale is not exactly that much richer, but is thriving and is a lot safer.
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Right? Unless you can name comparable high end retails in the areas 'gentrified' by Hispanics then it's not really gentrification.
For Asians I think H-Mart might be a good analog. It seems to be patronized by higher income folks. Maybe there's something like a higher end Fiesta in the Hispanic community.
I don't think there's any neighborhoods in Houston that was 'lifted' by Hispanics. Mostly the income level of the amenities stayed about the same as before.
Maybe in Houston. But H-Marts elsewhere can just as easily located in iffy area and also rich area. Using the 2 closest H-Marts to me as example, one in Catonsville MD which is a mix bag area (the southern part is very nice but the northern part is iffy), and the newer, much nicer one in Ellicott City MD which is one of the best place to live in the entire state. Oh, and they are only 4 miles apart on the same highway.
Actually the original H-Mart in Houston (the one on Blalock Rd) is not exactly the best area, either, especially when it opens. Spring Branch area did got little bit better nowaday, though.
Paterson, The Bronx, Jamaica Plain, Dorchester, Compton, East Camden, Lower East Side, Harlem certain parts of Philadelphia, Lynn and North Washington DC got better when Hispanics moved in. Not the best areas still, but they improved considerably over decades.
People tend to forget that Texas and California are half Hispanic, Florida almost 30%, all "prosperous" desirable states.
What statistics are you looking that show all of those areas you named got "better" when Hispanics moved in because I'm almost certain the non-Hispanic residents would tell you otherwise.
Adding on - Woodlands is literally the oasis for rich Mexicans, some of them probably going back and forth between the two countries doing business.
As for "pioneering spirit" - there are areas where Hispanic immigrants start business and at least make the area somewhat thriving. It is not quite gentrification as the businesses still tend to cater to lower income Hispanic that lives in the area, but at least there are people milling around and the area become somewhat safer.
I do agree this has happened in many places. The same thing likely happened with the Chinese in Flushing, NY. The area became safer and more bustling as the new group move in but the improvements aren't what we traditionally associate with the term 'gentrification'. For that to qualify the new folks must be highly educated and affluent, which might've happened somewhere already but there aren't many examples if we're talking nonwhites.
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