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Old 07-30-2022, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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In my observation, hispanics aren't the gentrifiers in Chicago but rather the neighborhoods they reside in large numbers and have a certain vibrancy about it will attract higher income mostly whites and that's how gentrification gets the rolling. In Chicago, gentrification and demographic shifts are a very slow process or nonexistent in black neighborhoods, but in Logan Square and West Town, where hispanics were a comfortable majority or had a plurality just 15-20 years ago, have seen major shifts in demographics from all angles.
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Old 07-30-2022, 06:48 PM
 
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What statistics are you looking that show all of those areas you named got "better" when Hispanics moved in because I'm almost certain the non-Hispanic residents would tell you otherwise.
Most areas that got huge influxes of Hispanics have neighborhoods that avoided the fate of a lot of midwestern cities. The difference between Providence and Dayton is Hispanic immigrants. Kept the city occupied and populated rather than a vacant shell. That’s kind of immigrants in General. Lowell Mass would have feel into a deep awful hole without the influx of immigrants from frankly all over the world in the late 20th into 21st century. Immigrants is why in general New England and New Jersey cities are typically better off than midwestern counterparts
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Old 07-30-2022, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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In my observation, hispanics aren't the gentrifiers in Chicago but rather the neighborhoods they reside in large numbers and have a certain vibrancy about it will attract higher income mostly whites and that's how gentrification gets the rolling. In Chicago, gentrification and demographic shifts are a very slow process or nonexistent in black neighborhoods, but in Logan Square and West Town, where hispanics were a comfortable majority or had a plurality just 15-20 years ago, have seen major shifts in demographics from all angles.
Exactly.

Hispanic are not the gentrifiers per se, but you know what they say: bring the artists, bring the gays.

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What statistics are you looking that show all of those areas you named got "better" when Hispanics moved in because I'm almost certain the non-Hispanic residents would tell you otherwise.
[...]crime declines after immigrants arrive. These findings are supported by research from the Public Policy Institute of California on the composition of inmates in California prisons.

1. University of Pennsylvania: https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-chec...ts-cause-crime

[...]US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.

2. National Institute of Health: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33288713/

Conviction rates were 57.2 percent lower for legal immigrants and 37.1 percent lower for undocumented immigrants, when compared to the native-born population.

3. Reason Magazine: https://reason.com/2021/05/13/immigr...americans/?amp

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Old 07-30-2022, 09:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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From a San Diego, CA/San Antonio, TX perspective, wealthy Mexican nationals from Tijuana/Monterrey (respectively) typically move to newer developments or already established wealthy areas such as East Lake in SD or Stone Oak in SA. They are not moving into poorer areas to gentrify.

Areas like Barrio Logan in SD gentrify not because wealthy Mexicans move in, but because other well to do types move in and the local community wishes to hang onto the integrity of the established neighborhood.
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Old 07-30-2022, 09:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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What statistics are you looking that show all of those areas you named got "better" when Hispanics moved in because I'm almost certain the non-Hispanic residents would tell you otherwise.
Border cities (El Paso, Chula Vista, Laredo) with high Hispanic populations typically have a very low violent crime rate.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:31 PM
 
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Hispanic salaries are too low on average for this to be a wideapread thing
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:38 PM
 
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Paterson, The Bronx, Jamaica Plain, Dorchester, Compton, East Camden, Lower East Side, Harlem certain parts of Philadelphia, Lynn and North Washington DC got better when Hispanics moved in. Not the best areas still, but they improved considerably over decades.

People tend to forget that Texas and California are half Hispanic, Florida almost 30%, all "prosperous" desirable states.
The Bronx? Are you serious?
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Old 07-31-2022, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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In my observation, hispanics aren't the gentrifiers in Chicago but rather the neighborhoods they reside in large numbers and have a certain vibrancy about it will attract higher income mostly whites and that's how gentrification gets the rolling. In Chicago, gentrification and demographic shifts are a very slow process or nonexistent in black neighborhoods, but in Logan Square and West Town, where hispanics were a comfortable majority or had a plurality just 15-20 years ago, have seen major shifts in demographics from all angles.
This is true, although Hispanics in Chicagoland have migrated to the inner collar suburbs. There are several inner ring suburbs have seen huge Hispanic growth and are now majorly Hispanic in those 15-20 years. They have found new areas to make their own.
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