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12 stories isn't "hi-rise". The other issue with DC is what's availability of land for residential development. I think only a deep dive into changes in zoning since the 1950s, the desire for green space, home affordability and crime stats by submarkets within the district, can provide an estimate of potential population growth.
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Anything over 7 stories or +25m is a high-rise per US fire-code. An 8 story building has to follow the same construction regulations a 50 story building does.
FAA is the only other metric where there is an official standard for building classification based on height.
If Baltimore can get ahold of its violent crime rate, It will draw more new residents than DC.
Not going to happen. They let the squeegee kids run free and refuse to prosecute them. Most crime tolerant city administration east of Portland. Baltimore metro is also losing population now and wouldn't surprise me to see Baltimore City down to 500,000 or lower by the 2030 Census.
Not going to happen. They let the squeegee kids run free and refuse to prosecute them. Most crime tolerant city administration east of Portland. Baltimore metro is also losing population now and wouldn't surprise me to see Baltimore City down to 500,000 or lower by the 2030 Census.
They effectively banned it. Enforcement officially starts tomorrow.
Baltimore’s metro gained population from 2022-2023. Go figure.
Regarding population loss. Baltimore didn’t even lose 75k people in the last two census combined and it’s going to somehow do that in 1/3rd the time while at all time high residential construction, year over year increases in occupied housing and ballooning White & Hispanic population?
We can dog the city all for it shortfalls and you can continue having a weird obsession with it but at least bring some common sense to a left field statement.
They effectively banned it. Enforcement officially starts tomorrow.
Baltimore’s metro gained population from 2022-2023. Go figure.
Regarding population loss. Baltimore didn’t even lose 75k people in the last two census combined and it’s going to somehow do that in 1/3rd the time while at all time high residential construction, year over year increases in occupied housing and ballooning White & Hispanic population?
We can dog the city all for it shortfalls and you can continue having a weird obsession with it but at least bring some common sense to a left field statement.
No way you honestly think the "let's pay squeegee kids with taxpayer $ thing" is going to work. Especially when they'll still make more squeegee'ing. Instead of being arrested, they're being PAID. It's a joke.
Re: Baltimore City population, it was the rare city that lost people in the 2010s. Its Latino population is tiny compared to other 500k+ cities, just 6% of the city is foreign born compared to 27% in Boston.
It also had a net loss of 9k people 20-21 and could easily lose another 75k to hit 500k by the end of this decade.
Re: Baltimore MSA population, the 2022 metro estimates aren't out yet, but the metro area lost 6,000 people 20-21, and the state level estimates for '22 show Maryland down 11,000 with 21,000 net migration out of the state.
You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
No way you honestly think the "let's pay squeegee kids with taxpayer $ thing" is going to work. Especially when they'll still make more squeegee'ing. Instead of being arrested, they're being PAID. It's a joke.
You get citied if you pay them and it’s banned on the intersection of Moravia Road and Sinclair Lane; the intersection of Northern Parkway and Wabash Avenue; President Street; the area around Mount Royal and North avenues near the I-83 ramp; MLK ; Conway Street.
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Re: Baltimore City population, it was the rare city that lost people in the 2010s. Its Latino population is tiny compared to other 500k+ cities, just 6% of the city is foreign born compared to 27% in Boston.
No one is contesting the city lost population? We all know what’s driving it.
Hold that same energy the next time anyone brings up AA growth in a West Coast city not named Oakland or LA.
Baltimore has a marginally less Latinos than Seattle & Detroit. 46k vs 52k except its Latino population is growing substantially faster than either. Baltimore’s raw Latino population grew roughly the same amount as DC’s (20k vs 22k)
Baltimore is a majorly AA city. They all have disproportionately low foreign born populations.
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It also had a net loss of 9k people 20-21 and could easily lose another 75k to hit 500k by the end of this decade.
Re: Baltimore MSA population, the 2022 metro estimates aren't out yet, but the metro area lost 6,000 people 20-21, and the state level estimates for '22 show Maryland down 11,000 with 21,000 net migration out of the state.
Almost every major city had net loss from 20-21. DC lost 20k. SF lost 54k. NYC lost 300k. No one is using 2021 in isolation to project a city population trends 7 years out.
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You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
"Will DC break all time population highs? Without question". That's a extremely bold statement to make given the district's challenges in offering affordable housing, height restrictions and land availability. If Baltimore can get ahold of its violent crime rate, It will draw more new residents than DC.
DC has ~690k at the moment. It’s all time high was 802k. It’s extremely realistic in the next 2 census at the rate DC was piling on population (pre-pandemic). DC has its challenges but current height regulations, affordable housing and land availability aren’t stopping it growing an extra ~110k, those are needed for better QoL.
Slashing Baltimore crime rate would stop the bleeding of population, but it’s never going to outgrow DC in raw numbers short of a cataclysmic regional economic shift.
"Will DC break all time population highs? Without question". That's a extremely bold statement to make given the district's challenges in offering affordable housing, height restrictions and land availability. If Baltimore can get ahold of its violent crime rate, It will draw more new residents than DC.
DC is only 61 sq. miles and probably leads America in housing construction per capita. With the downtown DC construction wild card just played which I’m sure nobody predicted including myself, DC’s new construction in the coming years is going to be pretty substantial like the last decade.
Also, just and FYI, DC just officially confirmed they will be trying to raise the height limit to 160 feet (already permitted on Pennsylvania Avenue) up from the current 130 feet. That will allow residential buildings to rise up to 18 floors.
What strikes me about the data is the impact of natural growth and the discrepancy in life expectancy. The country as a whole had 245k more births than deaths, but about 150k of that in the West. If you exclude Texas, the South had negative natural growth, with 48k more deaths than births. Not just Florida, but Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, and South Carolina all had negative natural growth. Those five states are all in the bottom 10 for life expectancy while California, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, Hawaii, and Washington are near the top.
The Midwest is mostly middle of the pack for life expectancy, but has higher than average median age. Ohio and Michigan had negative natural growth for this reason.
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