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Wait, which of the three cultures dominates as you go west?
I'll buy that NC is the cusp between South and Mid-Atlantic, but also between Mid-Atlantic and North?
P.S. Am planning a trip to southern Delaware next month, and noticed that right near my cottage is a Harris-Teeter. There's a sign that Delaware will be juuuuust a little southern.
NC is South. Kubota-cut rural yards wih lawn jockeys. Junctions with PickaPack stores and Nazarine Tabernacles. Deathly quiet pine monocultures on cotton-inert dirt.
As someone who lives in Charlotte, it is the south. Nobody questions that in real life except on this board. Y’all are getting extreme now because it is the year 2023 and certain places don’t fit your stereotypes.
I don't understand people who say that the "Mid-Atlantic is both Northern AND Southern." To me, it's always been the part of the NORTHeast that isn't New England. So... NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, WV. It has never been this "hybrid" of north and south. That would just be "East coast" which encompasses Maine down to Florida.
Anyway... NC does not fit that divide. It's fully in the South.
Again the South is not monolithic I feel I'm debate a two sides. One side is using stereotypes of how 1940 Mississippi is true Southern there for NC is not Southern enough. The other side is also using old Southern stereotypes to argue how Southern NC is.
Basically NC is southern but not the same southern as Arkansas etc. There a clear pattern of South Atlantic from The interior or central Southern states "also with TX/OK but that different story"
But when think of "The Sunbelt boom" It's South Atlantic states FL, GA, SC and NC at one end, and TX/OK at the other. The only noticeable exception is Nashville, Some of East TN, Huntsville AL maybe. Otherwise it's pretty much South Atlantic vs TX/Ok. The central Southern states isn't growing that fast. It's mainly the ends.
So what has happens is some North Carolinans reject these southern stereotypes and reject that it's a part of the South but this creates another problem, because it is similar to other states in it's sub region of South. Like wise a poster brought up earlier how transplanted, how growing international growing Hispanic and etc the population is in NC makes NC different from other southern states ............. Well Clearly not there Georgia. ands obliviously Florida right there.
I brought this up but
SC 5,282,634 in 30,109 sq mi
AL 5,039,877 in 50,744 sq mi
SC has more people in than AL in only 3/5 area.
I think some people don't think to associated NC and GA, because they view SC as a gap. but Upstate SC or Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson CSA is 1.5 mil. Otherwise between Atlanta and Charlotte is a CSA that similar size of New Orleans, or Louisville CSA. That why if you look on those map Raleigh to Atlanta looks very connected. Greenville MSA is 958,958 will probably hit a million some time this decade.
So the NC's cities of Charlotte, Raleigh and Greensboro/winston salem is connected with Up State SC and Greater Atlanta. Making a chain of cities in this little piedmont. There no connecting of NC piedmont cities to the Mid Atlantic. You see this in those map above.
I also think people over look Wilmington NC to it's peers of Savanah and Charleston.
Again the South is not monolithic I feel I'm debate a two sides. One side is using stereotypes of how 1940 Mississippi is true Southern there for NC is not Southern enough. The other side is also using old Southern stereotypes to argue how Southern NC is.
Basically NC is southern but not the same southern as Arkansas etc. There a clear pattern of South Atlantic from The interior or central Southern states "also with TX/OK but that different story"
But when think of "The Sunbelt boom" It's South Atlantic states FL, GA, SC and NC at one end, and TX/OK at the other. The only noticeable exception is Nashville, Some of East TN, Huntsville AL maybe. Otherwise it's pretty much South Atlantic vs TX/Ok. The central Southern states isn't growing that fast. It's mainly the ends.
So what has happens is some North Carolinans reject these southern stereotypes and reject that it's a part of the South but this creates another problem, because it is similar to other states in it's sub region of South. Like wise a poster brought up earlier how transplanted, how growing international growing Hispanic and etc the population is in NC makes NC different from other southern states ............. Well Clearly not there Georgia. ands obliviously Florida right there.
I brought this up but
SC 5,282,634 in 30,109 sq mi
AL 5,039,877 in 50,744 sq mi
SC has more people in than AL in only 3/5 area.
I think some people don't think to associated NC and GA, because they view SC as a gap. but Upstate SC or Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson CSA is 1.5 mil. Otherwise between Atlanta and Charlotte is a CSA that similar size of New Orleans, or Louisville CSA. That why if you look on those map Raleigh to Atlanta looks very connected. Greenville MSA is 958,958 will probably hit a million some time this decade.
So the NC's cities of Charlotte, Raleigh and Greensboro/winston salem is connected with Up State SC and Greater Atlanta. Making a chain of cities in this little piedmont. There no connecting of NC piedmont cities to the Mid Atlantic. You see this in those map above.
I also think people over look Wilmington NC to it's peers of Savanah and Charleston.
- Colonial historic coast
- Fault line cities
- Large Sunbelt Cosmopolitan cities in the Piedmont.
- Southern Blue Ridge MTS
I live in the Raleigh-Durham area and have made many trips to Atlanta during my lifetime and I've never felt the two areas are connected via a "little piedmont" area. The distance between the two areas is too great to feel any connection. The distance from the Triangle to Atlanta is the same distance as from the Triangle to Philadelphia. And there is definitely no connection between these two areas. In the Triangle we do feel a connection with the Triad and Charlotte via I-85. But, that's the extent of connection to any other metro areas. But, I do think Atanta has some connection to Greenville SC via I-85 and Birmingham via I-20.
I think it’s more like Raleigh is connected to Charlotte which is connected to Greenville which is connected to Atlanta. It’s fairly continuous growth along the whole corridor. It’s just dead air between Raleigh and Richmond.
I think it’s more like Raleigh is connected to Charlotte which is connected to Greenville which is connected to Atlanta. It’s fairly continuous growth along the whole corridor. It’s just dead air between Raleigh and Richmond.
I live in the Raleigh-Durham area and have made many trips to Atlanta during my lifetime and I've never felt the two areas are connected via a "little piedmont" area. The distance between the two areas is too great to feel any connection. The distance from the Triangle to Atlanta is the same distance as from the Triangle to Philadelphia. And there is definitely no connection between these two areas. In the Triangle we do feel a connection with the Triad and Charlotte via I-85. But, that's the extent of connection to any other metro areas. But, I do think Atlanta has some connection to Greenville SC via I-85 and Birmingham via I-20.
Atlanta's got a connection to Birmingham, but it's not only via I-20. If it were, Talladega NF would limit the connection. Auburn's kinda the secret lock that overtly binds them now. The Shoals, Huntsville, Birmingham, Tuscaloosa, Montgomery, Auburn, and Anniston/Talladega are all loosely tied in a way that bleeding influence into one gives relatively easy access to bleed into any of the rest (but loose enough that if you don't want to, you can put effort in to not). The northern half of Alabama isn't Carolina Crescent dense, but its rural areas are as close to as dense as possible while still considered rural. (Southern Alabama not so much)
It's also a bit of what keeps Nashville in the discussion, as Nashville to Chattanooga is still a bit separated (Though Chattanooga's definitely within Atlanta influence). However, Nashville's also got a bit of a connection to both Huntsville and the Shoals, and that gives a secondary connection to Atlanta via the Alabama conglomerate. It's still somewhat isolated, though.
I live in the Raleigh-Durham area and have made many trips to Atlanta during my lifetime and I've never felt the two areas are connected via a "little piedmont" area. The distance between the two areas is too great to feel any connection. The distance from the Triangle to Atlanta is the same distance as from the Triangle to Philadelphia. And there is definitely no connection between these two areas.
To claim there is "definitely no connection" between the Triangle and Atlanta is simply untrue, or representative of merely your own personal experience that you're trying to extrapolate for everyone else.
UNC, for one, sends a ton of grads to Atlanta each year (and vice versa). And for better or worse, Raleigh definitely takes some note of what goes down in the "capital" of the South. The Triangle in general is an educational powerhouse for the South (and country), and Atlanta being the region's preeminent city, there is bound to be some connection.
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