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I can be for the draft if it affects everyone equally. To make sure that happens the first people to be drafted must be those with parents with the highest incomes. Those families making above 1 million dollars a year or have more than 100 million in net worth would be first and so on down the line. Deferments are okay if going to college. The middle class or poor should not be the only ones fighting wars.
This country gives away enough money every year as well as the cost of our incarceration programs and many other costly things which exist.
I think paying these young people is the least of our challenge. We had no problem finding enough money to pump 30-50 billion a month into two wars for 10 years. Nor did we have a problem costing this nation 2-5 Trillion dollars in war games over the past 10 yrs.
The debt now of 15+ trillion is based on a country that dedicated itself to war instead of industry and rebuilding itself. instead we borrowed to fund war and give money away to contractors who did nothing but lobby for prolonging the war games.
People have selective Amnesia, Bush tried the oldest game in the books. That was trying to stimulate the economy by war efforts. It resulted to backfire and cost us more industry loss, bankrupt cities, and youth with nothing to do and no jobs to look forward to and then left this nation straddled with debt that will continue for the next 15 year or more.
Most of you forget that this nation has a responsibility to rebuild much of Iraq and Afghanistan, that was and has always been part of war agreements to go to war. But no one wants to look at that, nor at the next 50 yrs of medical cost it will incur to care for the wounded who will invariable grow worst conditions as the expenditure of time passes.
I don't think many even grasp the mess that The Bush-Cheney Agenda put this nation in. We have train loads of equipment being brought back, but that may even be a small amount when one considers the equipment they will give away and the rest that they will destroy on Iraq soil and Afghanistan soil, because it is away from the eyes of American people.
We are not thinking of the billions of dollars we gave to groups like Blackstone and others who were nothing more than mercenary warriors programs.
Yet, we want to trip about paying American people to do work in American to fix America. I personally don't see that as a problem, but more of being a benefit to America people. It's a form of INVESTING IN AMERICA AND THE AMERICA PEOPLE.
If we reinstate the "draft", I think more people would appreciate military more or at least understand what "military" is all about. My brother is a former peace time Force Recon Marine who has done ops overseas. He has done very dangerous jobs involving with risking his own life. He has never been thanked for his service, and my active duty combat friends have been thanked by the public on regular basis.
The bottom line if one examines history is that during times of low or no conflict/national threat the military is fairly ignored and left to deteriorate in both personnel and equipment. But, during times of conflict such as Iraq and Afghanistan our civilian leadership approves large increases in pay and benefits to assuage their guilt for sending military folks in harms way. Eventually all conflicts end in some fashion and then the desire to reduce military budgets raises its head to the forefront once more and promises are broken.
Currently, we don't have challenge for the 99% of the American people who are not involved in the military. They don’t lose when soldiers die overseas, so draft will easily make majority of civilians realize the sacrifices military people and their families are making on daily basis.
Having said all that, my vote for the "draft" is still a no. My brother signed up to serve the country, to defend constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. He gave up his own right to ensure mine. That is why he wanted to serve the country. Many people don't want to be drafted or serve in the military, I think their decisions should be respected. Smaller government, more freedom to the citizens.
The draft essentially says that a person’s life belongs not to them, but to the state, and that the state is free to send them into the line of enemy fire if it so chooses. That’s incompatible with pretty much everything that this country stands for.
FREEDOM IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN ROOTED IN RESPONSIBILITY.
We have an opportunity to give our young people freedom without them being bound to some war games programming, We have an opportunity to give them avenues to rebuild a world they will inherit, not the one we have screwed up for them. This baby boomer generation has been the worst thing ever for America since the era of slavery.
This corp gives young people stable employment, while learning and developing skills and having and investing themselves in building the type of civic pride they will create for themselves and their off-springs. That alone is so far outside of war mongering policies the current group of right winger and the greedy wealthy have caused us to endure for far too long.
The New Deal, was a program that rebuilt this Nation after the greedy and wealthy crashed it in 1929. Roosevelt used the Federal Mony to fund corps to do the work of rebuilding, this including from art to mass construction. It worked... He also pushed for banking reforms and stock market reforms.
Our problem is we let the baby boomer and their self centered greed chasing cause us to become AMONG the most belligerent group of American to live in the 20th century. First group was those who crashed the nation in 1929 and the second is the group that lead up to the crashed the nation in 2008. But if we look back, we will also see that during every Republican Led Administration over the past 40 yrs, America has fallen and imposed greater and greater hardships on the American people and all their acts and actions has been led and directed to the wealthy becoming even more wealthy.
They spent their energy to dismantle any and all programming they could which was designed to help the people, including their efforts of attack upon social security and medicare. There is no system of public concern and public benefit they did not attack and seek to dismantle. During the Bush administration they even tried to sell the management of our Ports to Dubai, but selective amnesia wants to ignore and negate acknowledgment of this. they tired to turn SSI into a voucher system where the greedy on Wall Street could get their hands on this fund and bleed it dry so they could dismantle it and claim it as insolvent after these criminals drained off and pocketed its capital.
The first thing we need to do is "pay attention" and, not be so easily hoodwinked and bamboozled; to adopt selective amnesia and suffer the consequence of our lack of awareness and acknowledgment of what has taken place. We like to deny too much and then pretend it never happen, while these goons tell us, that we are resourceful and we will bounce back. But the only thing bouncing is us and our money bounces out of our hands into the pockets of the select 1% of the population.
When we had Unions, was the only period when worker gained rights, since they busted unions the concept of workers rights has gone out the window.
Youth programs in schools has been dismantled, where there is no civic programming in schools now, it is all designed to turn them into minions for wealthy consumption.
I say, empower the youth, and give them the means to build the kind of nation they want, they will clean up the messes we made and they will build the type of system that respects all people and they will be skilled and qualified in doing so.
A society with structure is the only society that will prosper and have long standing enduring prospering systems. they work best when it is by the people, for the people and the people are knowledgeable in how we grow and what we become to be as a nation. And, they feel connected in being able to contribute and be a part of this nation and all it becomes.
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I can be for the draft if it affects everyone equally. To make sure that happens the first people to be drafted must be those with parents with the highest incomes. Those families making above 1 million dollars a year or have more than 100 million in net worth would be first and so on down the line. Deferments are okay if going to college. The middle class or poor should not be the only ones fighting wars.
I would not be opposed to the politicians being the first one sent to the wars they create, certainly their children should go to infantry like anyone else. ( IF it had been left to the right wing, we'd be fighting in Syria right this very day and would have expanded the fighting in the Middle East, and be grouping up young people to send to fight Russia; because these right wing politicians, only know to go and pursue war programming. While their war product producers salivate at the mouth thinking of the profits they will pocket. Thank goodness we have a President who is not swayed into that type of madness or led by that type of mentality.
This program I'm discussing truly has nothing to do with war nor gathering people for any war efforts nor war activity. It is purely CIVIC concerns and for the benefit on Americans in America and for the nation of America.
It has NOTHING to do with War programming.
The President has advocated civic programs and understand the value of civic programs as well as the benefit it is to young people in this country along with the needs within this country.
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Once again, before using the word "every" you have to look at the numbers: One and half million teenagers a year.
If you keep them three years, that would be an agency twice as large as the Department of War during WWII...of people with bad attitudees who aren't trained well enough to do much of anything worthwhile...but they will need to be housed and fed and kept busy with make-work.
It is a far better plan, than the alternative we currently see. at least its a plan.
As the old saying goes, if we fail to plan, then we plan to fail... and doing nothing is not an option; as it assures a higher % of failure.
Actually, they would be more likely to head straight to Washington to conduct an event that would make Occupy look like duck duck goose in preschool. This from a 25 year old supporter of Occupy.
Public service jobs have a never ending list of applicants as is for too few jobs, where are you going to get the money to create the millions of jobs that would be needed for this program? For the supporters of mandatory military service, the forces are already cutting down on recruiting and taking less people in.
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This country generates more then enough money for this program and every bit of the money paid to the people is put right back into the American economy.
We still get the benefit of improving this nation, fixing our infrastructure, and removing the blight, and having a ready force that can restore public accessibility and public infrastructure in times of disaster. Equally so many of the projects that are needed can move forth to build and rebuild some character as well as cultural integrity into our landscape of cities and communities.
While I kind of agree that we should instate some kind of work or die policy. I don't think it will work. You know they tried this a few years back in Germany and in the US.....
I think the Corp is an ideal solution, we have computers now which can help manage the administration of such programs in a far more efficient manner. We know more than we knew then, and with the way the goons have destroyed the economy with their elitist aims and degree riding sense of wealth entitlements have dismantled and sold everything for that aim. It is far past time we recognize what we must do.
I commend the foresight of President Obama, when he took office pursuing change and telling us as a nation, that we must rebuild from the bottom up, and we must embrace civic duties in doing so. he was fought by every means the wealthy could muster to push their their right wing mouthpieces.
We are right back where he stated at the beginning of his term in Office. A Need for Change.
He spoke of the value of the "New Deal" he has talked about rebuilding American for All People. It's a sad thing people could not get past the bigotry to hear him. but as it is, we are still at a point to need Change and a national Corp under the Department of Interior is our best and most viable options to fix America and change its course to one that it can regain its place and build a sustainable system which won't go the way of the European or the Greeks or the Roman empires.
We need to awaken now... we don't have time to wait. nor do we have time to bicker about it.
Quoted from ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration
"Both Roosevelt and Hopkins believed that the route to economic recovery and the lessened importance of "the dole" would be in employment programs such as the WPA. Nick Taylor states that “These ordinary men and women proved to be extraordinary beyond all expectation. They were golden threads woven in national fabric. In this, they shamed the political philosophy that discounted their value and rewarded the one the placed its faith in them, thus fulfilling the founding vision of a government by and for its people. All its people.”
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The WPA was no better or worse then the RAD in Germany. What better way to train an army ahead of time then to make everyone learn to work together building something. If you don't think this was in FDR's mind you should think again...But I'm sure you agree as your lord and master thinks he is FDR reincarnated!
It's still an attempt to penalize and/or exploit one group within society just because they live within the grasp of the influence-peddlers who control the machinery of government; in other words, a tax imposed by control of a younger citizen's time, attention, and obedience.
Most of our ancestors came here, in part, to be free from that sort of tyranny; the mistaken notion that one owes something to the state in the name of some supposed "greater common good" lies at the root of many of our problems.
If such a law is ever passed. it's time for every young person with an independent mindset to head for Canada, just as back in the Sixties
But then they also self responded if you look at the wars and the numbers responding .Nothing like today when many want only others to do service. Everyone is young once so its equal and often even those who have served ;serve again like the WWI and WWII when they were called up again. Kennedy said it best perhaps; ask not what your country can do for you ;but what you can do for your country. I say don't ask to be thought of as truly equal when you not seen as equal when you would never be in others eyes.
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