How to Eliminate Welfare? (workers, wars, facts, businesses)
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The problem is there are aspects of a free market that demand govt influance to avoid exploitation (look at standard oil as a glaring example of captialism run rampant or the rail road). You have to have govt to impose tarrifs to discourage trade imballances (which they are not doing anyways otherwise NOTHING would be made in china as the tarrifs would match our labor costs). You need govt to manage intellectual property rights to prevent some big time company owner from strong arming the independant engineer or scientist (which they are also not doing). Big buisness without a referee is just as bad as big govt itself. Anti trust is a watered down version of what it used too be, it used to be enough that if multiple companies all had pretty close the same prices then that was enough to prove collusion, now I doubt even have a video would be enough.
Credit needs to be done away with, that is another lever the rich pull to compell people to leverage themselves out for a good or service that they should have been able to buy with modest savings over a modest period of time. 30 year home loans and 7 year car loans should be criminal, if you cant make your buisness model work for the average income level then you should go under. No one should have to save for half their life to put a roof over their head, the super rich certianly dont.
We need the govt to be doing exactly what its not doing
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella
Crony capitalism exists because of the cancerous growth of government, with the tumor reaching all areas of every human activity - food, medicine, insurance, banking, equities, education, EVERYTHING. When you have government this big doing all these things, it pays for the worst kind of businessman, the kind who cannot compete on the merits, to try to feather his bed using political power. And THAT is how crony capitalism starts and thrives. If government had little or no role in our lives, and just kept the land free of enemies and adjudicated reasonable disputes with a court system, and maybe some police and roads, there would be nothing for the bad businessmen to corrupt.
People influence government to abuse others and shut down competition and take things from one to give to another BECAUSE THE DAMNED THING EXISTS TO BE MANIPULATED.
The role of government has expanded to the point where it pays for groups of citizens to use it to beat down other groups of citizens.
So the way to remove crony capitalism is to get government OUT OF NEARLY EVERYTHING and let the competition begin ON THE MERITS and based on TRADE and VALUE rather than INFLUENCE and PULL.
Take all the monies collected for all social services and then pay every single person in the country over the age of 18 $20,000 per year. But all social services are fully eliminated. No welfare, no food stamps, no unemployment, no housing money.... NOTHING.
People can take their $20K and use it to live on if they don't desire to work. Or, if they want to achieve more they can work in any way they want to. No one needs to beg for money. That's over. And the money is static.
How think ye?
Welfare has become more than a social service. It's a way of life for many and it's passed down generations... My suggested plan would be to encourage sterilization. Those who opt-in the program would be immediately given a monetary incentive. We can even have a "scale" to go by. If the female has only 1 child, then the incentive would be higher compared to another female with 5 children.
This program would put an end to the Welfare way of life. People in it for the money would get their money but it would also ensure no future Welfare recipients. The people who actually need Welfare to get by until they get back on their feet will weigh their options and most likely opt-out because they know they're not trying to make Welfare a way of life.
Think about it, the system we have in place right now encourages breeding. More children=more money. If we reverse this logic, we would all be better off.
It makes sense right? well, this probably will never happen because people a greedy. Yes Welfare recipients get "some" money. But by having the system in place, lots of other organizations profit from it. As long as someone in "power" profits from this broken system, it will continue. This logic applies to various aspects in our society. Just take a minute and think about it.
Welfare has become more than a social service. It's a way of life for many and it's passed down generations... My suggested plan would be to encourage sterilization. Those who opt-in the program would be immediately given a monetary incentive. We can even have a "scale" to go by. If the female has only 1 child, then the incentive would be higher compared to another female with 5 children. This program would put an end to the Welfare way of life. People in it for the money would get their money but it would also ensure no future Welfare recipients. The people who actually need Welfare to get by until they get back on their feet will weigh their options and most likely opt-out because they know they're not trying to make Welfare a way of life. Think about it, the system we have in place right now encourages breeding. More children=more money. If we reverse this logic, we would all be better off. It makes sense right? well, this probably will never happen because people a greedy. Yes Welfare recipients get "some" money. But by having the system in place, lots of other organizations profit from it. As long as someone in "power" profits from this broken system, it will continue. This logic applies to various aspects in our society. Just take a minute and think about it.
How about just sterilizing all men and freeze enough semen to fertilize women who are deemed 'worthy' of having kids.
Welfare has become more than a social service. It's a way of life for many and it's passed down generations... My suggested plan would be to encourage sterilization. Those who opt-in the program would be immediately given a monetary incentive. We can even have a "scale" to go by. If the female has only 1 child, then the incentive would be higher compared to another female with 5 children.
This program would put an end to the Welfare way of life. People in it for the money would get their money but it would also ensure no future Welfare recipients. The people who actually need Welfare to get by until they get back on their feet will weigh their options and most likely opt-out because they know they're not trying to make Welfare a way of life.
Think about it, the system we have in place right now encourages breeding. More children=more money. If we reverse this logic, we would all be better off.
It makes sense right? well, this probably will never happen because people a greedy. Yes Welfare recipients get "some" money. But by having the system in place, lots of other organizations profit from it. As long as someone in "power" profits from this broken system, it will continue. This logic applies to various aspects in our society. Just take a minute and think about it.
Welfare, the kind that aids families is simply a conduit, the money goes from the government through the hands of the poor and then into the tills of various merchants, so, who's on welfare? A lot of people are being served by this construct of redistribution, the poor are getting the least of the dollar value as the amounts paid are insignificant when compared to the total of those dollars and their overall impact on the greater economy.
This isn't science, it's simply a view that includes the truth of how money gets from one place to another. When the government cuts any program we see a reverberation throughout the whole economy and not just the recipients of the programs largess. Paint those welfare dollars red and we'll soon see who gets what from that program. Walmart, Kmart, Landlords, and various grocery chains will have the bulk of that money, again, it is not speculation it's just how things work out.
When we see that powerful corporations are directly benefiting from welfare it's easy to understand the government's position on that spending. What does demonstrate the fact of more than a tad bit of hypocrisy is the fact that corporate welfare rarely get's the kind of attention normally reserved for the TANF program.
Welfare has generated a ton of discontent simply for the reason that America can't ever produce enough jobs and therefore we have workers and non workers all eating from the trough of American prosperity, the animosity though, is reserved for those on the low end of things, the rich just laugh off the criticism of their greed. The elimination of any re distributive economic schemes will never become a reality in America. I don't know what all the welfare angst is about, I seem to have a lot of money left after taxes, and if we're going to enrich those on top then we may as well throw a bone to those on the bottom.
Take all the monies collected for all social services and then pay every single person in the country over the age of 18 $20,000 per year. But all social services are fully eliminated. No welfare, no food stamps, no unemployment, no housing money.... NOTHING.
People can take their $20K and use it to live on if they don't desire to work. Or, if they want to achieve more they can work in any way they want to. No one needs to beg for money. That's over. And the money is static.
How think ye?
I don't think it is a good idea plus it is not eliminating welfare it is expanding it.
Does this mean with five kids and a wife we could be getting $140,000?
Welfare, the kind that aids families is simply a conduit, the money goes from the government through the hands of the poor and then into the tills of various merchants, so, who's on welfare?
This is utter nonsense and the kind of thing I would expect in a typical left-wing University economics class. The money DOES NOT COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT. And never did. And never will. The money comes from the hard working taxpayer, from whom it is expropriated. It is then given to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it. I don't really give a rat's azz what the thief does with the booty. I only care that good people are victimized by a system that endorses the absurd notion that because one person needs something, he has a right to take it from others. People go to jail for that.
A lot of people are being served by this construct of redistribution, the poor are getting the least of the dollar value as the amounts paid are insignificant when compared to the total of those dollars and their overall impact on the greater economy. This isn't science, it's simply a view that includes the truth of how money gets from one place to another.
The only "one place from another" we need to worry about is from the earner/owner to the redistributee/thief. Money does not just exist. It is earned and owned by the good people, the virtuous people, the people who recognize reality and focus on making themselves marketable so that they may act in their own rational self-interest.
When the government cuts any program we see a reverberation throughout the whole economy and not just the recipients of the programs largess. Paint those welfare dollars red and we'll soon see who gets what from that program. Walmart, Kmart, Landlords, and various grocery chains will have the bulk of that money, again, it is not speculation it's just how things work out.
This is such absurd nonsense. You are focusing on the irrelevant. You are focusing on what the thief does with the money he stole. I don't care about any of that. The crime is already committed. The bad person is already rewarded. The good person is already penalized and punished for being good and productive. I don't care what the recipient of redistributional theft does with the booty. Neither should you.
When we see that powerful corporations are directly benefiting from welfare it's easy to understand the government's position on that spending. What does demonstrate the fact of more than a tad bit of hypocrisy is the fact that corporate welfare rarely get's the kind of attention normally reserved for the TANF program.
Corporate welfare, corporate schmelfare. CORPORATIONS SHOULD NOT BE TAXED ONE RED CENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Giving them a tax break is the return of stolen funds. In fact, calling it a tax "break" is a purposeful lie and misrepresentation of reality. And what is the purpose? So left-wing collectivist haters can justify the fact that all they really want to do is punish the good for being the good. To destroy those they hate: the competent, the disciplined, the focused, the talented. The true goal? Envy, envy, envy.
Welfare has generated a ton of discontent simply for the reason that America can't ever produce enough jobs and therefore we have workers and non workers all eating from the trough of American prosperity, the animosity though, is reserved for those on the low end of things, the rich just laugh off the criticism of their greed. The elimination of any re distributive economic schemes will never become a reality in America. I don't know what all the welfare angst is about, I seem to have a lot of money left after taxes, and if we're going to enrich those on top then we may as well throw a bone to those on the bottom.
You throw YOUR bones, the ones you own, anywhere you want. Keep your hands, and your sordid philosophy, OFF the bones of free citizens who earn and own every nickel of their paychecks, and should not be forced to give it away because you hate them for being good.
You throw YOUR bones, the ones you own, anywhere you want. Keep your hands, and your sordid philosophy, OFF the bones of free citizens who earn and own every nickel of their paychecks, and should not be forced to give it away because you hate them for being good.
Except that it's been proven time and again, that the majority of people receiving welfare actually work. So whether you like it or not, that makes them free citizens just like you, who also pay taxes, by the way. You might hate the thought of this, but they're people just like you. You're no better than they are, no matter what you think.
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You throw YOUR bones, the ones you own, anywhere you want. Keep your hands, and your sordid philosophy, OFF the bones of free citizens who earn and own every nickel of their paychecks, and should not be forced to give it away because you hate them for being good.
You certainly come across as full of hatred and animosity.
Welfare can and does benefit more than just the recipient. Taxes are paid to support a society, whether to only mount a common defense, or whether it adds in support of physical infrastructure, or support of social infrastructure (which is what welfare is). Absolutely, honest people can debate the pros and cons of different programs and different levels of taxation, but framing it the way you do doesn't make your argument more persuasive. If anything it makes you come across as a crackpot to whom credence is undeserved.
Welfare, the kind that aids families is simply a conduit, the money goes from the government through the hands of the poor and then into the tills of various merchants, so, who's on welfare?
This is utter nonsense and the kind of thing I would expect in a typical left-wing University economics class. The money DOES NOT COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT. And never did. And never will. The money comes from the hard working taxpayer, from whom it is expropriated. It is then given to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it. I don't really give a rat's azz what the thief does with the booty. I only care that good people are victimized by a system that endorses the absurd notion that because one person needs something, he has a right to take it from others. People go to jail for that.
A lot of people are being served by this construct of redistribution, the poor are getting the least of the dollar value as the amounts paid are insignificant when compared to the total of those dollars and their overall impact on the greater economy. This isn't science, it's simply a view that includes the truth of how money gets from one place to another.
The only "one place from another" we need to worry about is from the earner/owner to the redistributee/thief. Money does not just exist. It is earned and owned by the good people, the virtuous people, the people who recognize reality and focus on making themselves marketable so that they may act in their own rational self-interest.
When the government cuts any program we see a reverberation throughout the whole economy and not just the recipients of the programs largess. Paint those welfare dollars red and we'll soon see who gets what from that program. Walmart, Kmart, Landlords, and various grocery chains will have the bulk of that money, again, it is not speculation it's just how things work out.
This is such absurd nonsense. You are focusing on the irrelevant. You are focusing on what the thief does with the money he stole. I don't care about any of that. The crime is already committed. The bad person is already rewarded. The good person is already penalized and punished for being good and productive. I don't care what the recipient of redistributional theft does with the booty. Neither should you.
When we see that powerful corporations are directly benefiting from welfare it's easy to understand the government's position on that spending. What does demonstrate the fact of more than a tad bit of hypocrisy is the fact that corporate welfare rarely get's the kind of attention normally reserved for the TANF program.
Corporate welfare, corporate schmelfare. CORPORATIONS SHOULD NOT BE TAXED ONE RED CENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Giving them a tax break is the return of stolen funds. In fact, calling it a tax "break" is a purposeful lie and misrepresentation of reality. And what is the purpose? So left-wing collectivist haters can justify the fact that all they really want to do is punish the good for being the good. To destroy those they hate: the competent, the disciplined, the focused, the talented. The true goal? Envy, envy, envy.
Welfare has generated a ton of discontent simply for the reason that America can't ever produce enough jobs and therefore we have workers and non workers all eating from the trough of American prosperity, the animosity though, is reserved for those on the low end of things, the rich just laugh off the criticism of their greed. The elimination of any re distributive economic schemes will never become a reality in America. I don't know what all the welfare angst is about, I seem to have a lot of money left after taxes, and if we're going to enrich those on top then we may as well throw a bone to those on the bottom.
You throw YOUR bones, the ones you own, anywhere you want. Keep your hands, and your sordid philosophy, OFF the bones of free citizens who earn and own every nickel of their paychecks, and should not be forced to give it away because you hate them for being good.
Redistribution is so rampant in this country that few are immune from it. Many people who complain about "welfare" are enjoying preferential tax breaks.
Rents certainly would be lower overall in the absence of tax breaks, protectionist policies, and bailouts for homeowners.
Welfare has become more than a social service. It's a way of life for many and it's passed down generations... My suggested plan would be to encourage sterilization. Those who opt-in the program would be immediately given a monetary incentive. We can even have a "scale" to go by. If the female has only 1 child, then the incentive would be higher compared to another female with 5 children.
There are a number of states, California being one of them that do not increase the welfare grant for any children born after the mother starts receiving benefits, so in those states if you have one kid when you sign up and you have 15 more you still only get benefits for one. In other states, the grant does increase with additional children, but not by much. The maximum grant for a parent and two children in Tennessee is $185, in states like Tennessee the average additional cash benefit for another child is $35 - $40 a month. In Nevada where the cash grant for a parent and two children is $383 a month, and additional child increases the benefit by $65 a month. So, let's get real about this people do not have babies in order to get an extra $50 a month. No one aspires to live on welfare, it doesn't even pay enough to pay for a weekly hotel and section 8 has a 5-7 year waiting list. And as far as your dandy little plan of paying people to be sterilized, are you aware that most people on welfare work, 56% of welfare recipients receive aid for less than 36 months. So you really want to sterilize people and deprive them from ever having another child because they fell on hard times and got their lives straightened out within 3 years...wow, just wow.
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