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Old 12-14-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Fornication and adultery: What is the difference between fornication and adultery?

What is going to be the punishment?

Well, if the evasion of Islam continues, it will be taken care of: Islamic Voice But, do we want to mix religion into our government? I thought we were trying to move away from that.

What makes adultery wrong? Criminal. A sin? For sure.

Look at all the things that are illegal. Things like illegal drugs, child porn, etc. and has the fact that it is criminal made a difference?

 
Old 12-14-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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I've seen two people charged with adultery over the last year in our local jail inmate listings. So someone is pressing charges.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 08:55 PM
 
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Looking at marriage as a matter of civil law (a contract between two consenting adults), adultery is already a breach of contract in all US states with real fiscal repercussions for being caught (immediate grounds for divorce, alimony, property distribution implications, etc.). But in no case should a breach of contract ever be considered a crime.
In the Relationships sub-forum, there's been considerable and highly emotional discussion of divorce-law, and in particular of no-fault divorce. The situation, evidently, is that "fault" (who breached the contract, who caused more harm to whom) is not used - or at least not used significantly - in calculating the financial settlement in a divorce. Thus it is possible for the aggrieved party to not only be the victim of a cheating spouse, but also to sustain a financial penalty if said cheating spouse demands a divorce upon being discovered. This would happen if the cheater is the lower-earning of the two.

Beyond the whole subject of marriage and intimate relations, I wonder about the assertion that "in no case should a breach of contract ever be considered a crime". If my financial advisor has a fiduciary responsibility to act in my best interest, and willfully and systematically fails to do so, what penalty ought to be assessed? Should it merely be a civil penalty? What if said advisor has a large firm standing behind him, so that an individual client couldn't possibly hope to win in court?

The more I think about, the more it seems to me that business-ethics would be improved if breach of civil contract carried criminal penalties.

But this of course is quite beyond the scope of the subject of adultery.
 
Old 12-14-2015, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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How would you feel if Adultery were illegal? Like say Adultery came with a year or so of punishment, perhaps even more if it can be shown there were children it had a very negative impact on, would you think there would be less people committing Adultery if they knew they could go to prison for a time and have a record?

With so much Adultery going on and all the negative consequences it has, especially for children it does make me wonder if it should be a punishable crime.
Soooo, what happens if a formerly male LGBT expealidocious, fools around with another LGBT male while married to a LBGT female, Whois handicapped, bi-racial, Bi-sexual? Maddening....the possibilities are endless with this administration......

Only a matter of time before this plays out in court.....still trying to work through the outcome on this example.....might need Bobby Fisher to figure this one out...
 
Old 12-14-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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How would you feel if Adultery were illegal? Like say Adultery came with a year or so of punishment, perhaps even more if it can be shown there were children it had a very negative impact on, would you think there would be less people committing Adultery if they knew they could go to prison for a time and have a record?

With so much Adultery going on and all the negative consequences it has, especially for children it does make me wonder if it should be a punishable crime.
Prisons already too full
Cheater Goes to prison, and has no way to support the family
Now the children have one missing parent. More strain on the remaining parent
You can't legislate compliance and the expense to our society would exceed any benefit
 
Old 12-14-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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How would you feel if Adultery were illegal? Like say Adultery came with a year or so of punishment, perhaps even more if it can be shown there were children it had a very negative impact on, would you think there would be less people committing Adultery if they knew they could go to prison for a time and have a record?

With so much Adultery going on and all the negative consequences it has, especially for children it does make me wonder if it should be a punishable crime.
Saudi Arabia thinks so too. Its called Shira Law.
Fundies want to send us back to the caves, but personally I am sort of OK with making my own moral choices and not having them dictated by the government. But that's just me.

This is a democracy. In a democracy people do all sorts of things you aren't going to agree with. Guess what. Tough chit. You aren't supposed to like or approve of everything someone does. In fact I think the idea of it is more distasteful than infidelity.

I am not even married. Its the principle. This is STILL America and we still have freedom, and the freedom to disagree with each other. You don't like what your neighbor is doing? Then stop peeping over his fence. Ain't none of your business.
 
Old 12-15-2015, 03:15 AM
 
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With the decline of marriage, the marriage rate now down to around 50%, couples living together for years unmarried, 50% then would go unpunished, and it would reduce the marriage rate even lower!

There's a saying: when there's a murder, there's generally 2 sets of fingerprints on the murder weapon!

Same applies to divorce/adultery/cheating! Have never seen an individual walking down the street with angel wings yet!

And there's the projection theory! Projecting our repressed sides onto others!

I'm sure there are wives, tired of having sex with their husbands after X number of years, and getting no pleasure out of it, indirectly encourage their husbands to cheat on them, with an invisible pat on the back!

Thank God that chore is behind me now!
 
Old 12-15-2015, 05:45 AM
 
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I do not believe it should be illegal but people do have a point that it is breach of contract, and it should be a factor when determining custody of children and alimony. Currently from what I've heard this is not the case in most jurisdictions. The person who breached the contract should not be rewarded for their betrayal.
 
Old 12-15-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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Soooo, what happens if a formerly male LGBT expealidocious, fools around with another LGBT male while married to a LBGT female, Whois handicapped, bi-racial, Bi-sexual? Maddening....the possibilities are endless with this administration......

Only a matter of time before this plays out in court.....still trying to work through the outcome on this example.....might need Bobby Fisher to figure this one out...

Why, you make a reality TV show out of it, of course!
 
Old 12-15-2015, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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It seems to be the instinct of many people in this country to "cure" social ills by throwing people in prison. The potential consequences of adultery are bad enough for a family, we don't need to disrupt people's lives more by putting wage earners in prison where they become a burden on the state and can't pay their bills.

The private companies that run many prisons these days would love your idea though--more money for them.
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