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Really? Then let's ban automobiles since so many people die in car accidents. Let's ban prescription drugs because many people get addicted to them and in turn hurt their family members in addition to themselves and sometimes they even die. Let's ban alcohol for the exact same reason.
We should ban unsafe use of automobiles and prescription drugs. Drunk driving is already banned. Your logic is actually an argument in favor of mandatory vaccination.
Pushing vaccination on everyone is not the right thing to do in a supposedly free society. It's forced medication.
There is no such thing as a free society. Do you have the freedom to stop making your house payments and defend your house from all invaders? Do you have the freedom to make nuclear weapons in your basement to defend yourself and your family from the North Koreans? Do you have the freedom to turn your house into a casino or brothel so you can make a living from it? Do you have the freedom to keep certain people out of your neighborhood because of their race or ethnic background?
Since the purpose of vaccinations is to defend everyone, not just the vaccinated person, from diseases, individuals don't or shouldn't have the right to refuse it. If the North Koreans bribe the Pentagon to let them invade, do you have the right to let your neighbors defend your neighborhood from them while you sit on your sofa and watch TV? Traitors are often shot or hanged. They have no right to live.
Supreme Court may have the right but they cant easily enforce it
So you cant guarantee adults were vaccinated. You just assume they were.
Its not hard to get an exemption. You print the form and sign it. Even Medical in Cal, MS and WV- a dr just needs to sign the form saying its detrimental to their health.
If you want to send your child to school, you have to provide a vaccination certificate.
In W. Virginia at least, a doctor who signs a medical exemption certificate for a child who does not qualify for one is guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to a small fine. The fine may be trivial. The effect of the misdemeanor on medical license renewal might not be. Worse is a doctor who signs a fake certificate saying a child is vaccinated when he is not so the child will not be sent home during an outbreak. Would you really want to use a pediatrician who is a liar?
Mississippi had only 17 children with medical exemptions a few years ago.
Most adults were vaccinated as children, and there are those who regret not having been vaccinated and having to suffer through the list of vaccine preventable diseases.
Why can't everyone ride the bus or the train instead? Automobiles are dangerous and in addition to people dying in accidents, they also cause harm to our environment. Let's have more busses so that we can save lives and the planet.
You have to choose your battles. It would be a good idea to have better public transportation and get rid of individually owned automobiles. But who's going to fight for it? The vaccination battle is easier to win, because people don't have to be very intelligent to understand how important it is.
The pro side tends to get more funding and opportunities for publishing due to the powerful lobby ($$$$) behind it.
That's one of the reasons why socialized medicine can make sense. There should be no such thing as a powerful lobby. Lobbying legislators should be illegal. It should be limited to letter writing by individuals.
We already have vaccine mandates for schools. Apparently that is not enough for the pushers. In spite of licenses and liability insurance, death and injuries from car accidents are huge. Let's up the ante and ban them in favor of public transit for everyone. Safety first. Right?
Yes, but it would take years to convince enough politicians to make it happen. And the public transit would have to be a lot better than what we have now. Most public transport now is a feckless measure for poor people. We need public transport for the general public. We need to find ways to make it good enough to make cars obsolete.
It shows that the pharmaceutical companies have played and continue to play a huge role in an epidemic of prescription drug abuse. It shows that their motive is profit, not health.
In other words, we need to remove the profit motive from drug manufacturing. Bernie Sanders had a very good idea about that. Instead of letting drug manufacturers patent drugs, motivate research into new drugs by awarding prizes for inventing them.
The market for drugs is distorted by the fact that people with rare diseases need rare drugs to live. Their lives can be held hostage to charge thousands of times more than the drugs cost to manufacture, because the patents protect the drugs from competition.
If you needed a specific drug to live, and it cost $10,000 for a 30-day supply, what would you do about it? I would think it would motivate you to become a socialist. The $10,000 is an award, to award the capitalists for playing the capitalism game well and winning it, while wiping out their enemies. And it adds up, to $120,000 per year per patient. What's not to like about that, if you're the capitalist who's winning that game? And it's not even the inventor of the drug. Some of those drugs were cheap for years, till a capitalist cornered the market on them, by buying the patent, and made them suddenly extremely expensive, to legally extort money from the patients.
That's one of the reasons why socialized medicine can make sense. There should be no such thing as a powerful lobby. Lobbying legislators should be illegal. It should be limited to letter writing by individuals.
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In other words, we need to remove the profit motive from drug manufacturing. Bernie Sanders had a very good idea about that. Instead of letting drug manufacturers patent drugs, motivate research into new drugs by awarding prizes for inventing them.
The market for drugs is distorted by the fact that people with rare diseases need rare drugs to live. Their lives can be held hostage to charge thousands of times more than the drugs cost to manufacture, because the patents protect the drugs from competition.
If you needed a specific drug to live, and it cost $10,000 for a 30-day supply, what would you do about it? I would think it would motivate you to become a socialist. The $10,000 is an award, to award the capitalists for playing the capitalism game well and winning it, while wiping out their enemies. And it adds up, to $120,000 per year per patient. What's not to like about that, if you're the capitalist who's winning that game? And it's not even the inventor of the drug. Some of those drugs were cheap for years, till a capitalist cornered the market on them, by buying the patent, and made them suddenly extremely expensive, to legally extort money from the patients.
Plenty of anti-vaccine sentiment in the UHC countries, e.g. much of Europe, Australia, Japan, Canada. Please let's not hijack this thread into a discussion on "socialized medicine".
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