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Old 12-29-2017, 10:48 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The inherent role of every government and leader must be to look out for the best interests of its own nation and constituents (If not, who will assume this mantle?).

A nation's 'best interest' can only be determined by each government and its leaders. That may or may not include forming alliances with other nations to serve the mutual interests of multiple nations, none being subordinate to the other. The 'jury is still out' on the success of ECU member nations in forming a lasting alliance.

Over the years, America's foreign policy seems to have shifted toward a 'politically correct' notion that every national action should first be subjected to a 'world popularity' test. Behind that is a 360-degree round of 'second-guessing' by the media and social networks, where pundits attempt to retroactively inject 20-20 hindsight views into any debate or decision. In this effort, "would of, should of, could of" are given equal weight with the 'nations best interests' and every action taken by an elected leader.

It's difficult to imagine how true leadership, common sense and national interests can survive in such an environment - where 'popular opinion polls,' political CYA dithering and polarized second-guessing so prominently prevail.
Quite right. And that's how Trump got elected.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The best way to Make America Great Again is to stop shipping our jobs overseas, red the label of everything you own. Embolding big business that puts there greed before the commonwealth of America.

Trump will do neither.

This will help all the other countries who are using slave labor in sweatshops to stop following the American role model of filling their pockets first.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:39 AM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Should the US put it's own interests first? Depends on what you call "interest", particularly short-term vs long term. That alone is enough to mire the discussion. Still, I'll ignore that for now and get to my central point.

US interests should come first to the extent that it doesn't cause severe detriment to other nations, especially if any gain made or loss prevented by the US would be trivial compared to the gains made or losses prevented to other nations. That's my Cliff's Notes version of it, at least, but I'm sure it's enough to get my point across.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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A comment he made without doing any research.

Here's a simple point: I thought what we were doing was discussing pursuing a foreign policy that is in the self interest of the United States. I fail to see how doing everything that Israel wants is the best foreign policy for the United States. There are multiple actors/players in the Middle East. A foreign policy that is truly in America's self interest would try and steer between all the actors, rather than simply siding with one. We have now told Israel that, essentially, it can do no wrong.

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Thanks for nothing. I possess an extensive fund of knowledge, so I don't have to "go do research" for every post. If you do, you're looking in the wrong places.

Also, your powers of reasoning are quite faulty. Just because the algore globaloney warming disaster is NOT happening does not preclude making the argument that, were it true, it would be A GOOD THING. Because it would.

Which puts a double lie to algore and friends and the loot-America-first scheme. However, it's gotten him fat and rich beyond belief, that's all algore cares about.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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A very good example of what I'm talking about happened just a few days ago: The U.N. voted overwhelmingly to condemn Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, even after the US threatened to pull funding from the world body and foreign aide to countries that did not support us. 128 nations voted against us. Only 9 voted for us.

So there you have a total lack of leadership on our part, and the result that even friends abandoned us. And what did we do? Our country laid down on the floor kicking and screaming about if you don't give me what I want, then I won't love you anymore. Childish and not America's finest hour.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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US interests should come first to the extent that it doesn't cause severe detriment to other nations, especially if any gain made or loss prevented by the US would be trivial compared to the gains made or losses prevented to other nations. That's my Cliff's Notes version of it, at least, but I'm sure it's enough to get my point across.
Is offending the "religious beliefs" a significant loss to a nation?
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:55 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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So there you have a total lack of leadership on our part, and the result that even friends abandoned us. And what did we do? Our country laid down on the floor kicking and screaming about if you don't give me what I want, then I won't love you anymore. Childish and not America's finest hour.
What you call "leadership" is actually appeasement. The "rest of the world" was not happy about American incursions on the concept of monarchy with its independence. Were we to take a "world poll" then?

The "world" likes whatever it takes to keep largesse flowing to the diplomatic community and leaders. Very little U.S. aid reaches the people.
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What you call "leadership" is actually appeasement. The "rest of the world" was not happy about American incursions on the concept of monarchy with its independence. Were we to take a "world poll" then?

The "world" likes whatever it takes to keep largesse flowing to the diplomatic community and leaders. Very little U.S. aid reaches the people.
Leadership requires intelligence. What you suggest only requires brawn. One of these days, we won't be the one with all the brawn.
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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What you call "leadership" is actually appeasement. The "rest of the world" was not happy about American incursions on the concept of monarchy with its independence. Were we to take a "world poll" then?

The "world" likes whatever it takes to keep largesse flowing to the diplomatic community and leaders. Very little U.S. aid reaches the people.
And how does strong arming and isolationism help the American people? Explain how his Jerusalem decision will improve the lives of most Americans.
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Vienna, Austria
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Default The world leadership: to be an example or to be a chief

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The "rest of the world" was not happy about American incursions on the concept of monarchy with its independence.
The best time of a national state has gone. I've heard that from many politicians and political scientists. But the national state helps to keep order in the country. Many states aren't ready for globalism.

Meanwhile monarchy ... is deprecated! Monarchy is an attribute of the world of tradition on religion. Free voting is fit for the world of science and industry.

The USA is the especial country. It has a high level of development and goes to the future fast. Many countries don't want to move so quick. This is uncomfortable for them. They say: "Open world, globalization, internet are good. But we want to follow our laws in our country".
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