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States should be free to set their own age limits for drinking, driving, everything but Presidential election voting
Maybe we should revisit the whole idea of letting the Feds use grant money pressure to force states to set a uniform drinking age?
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Originally Posted by markg91359
The FBI may have made a mistake here. If they did, its the first situation like this where they appear to have blown it. Also, I'm sorry that narrative fits too conveniently into a certain president's desire to recklessly discredit the head law enforcement agency in this country..
The FBI also dropped the ball on Dylann Roof, and probably should have found Devin P. Kelley's "escape from mental facility" record. There's been a fair amount of suspicion that some of this is intentional.
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Originally Posted by Redraven
I thought firearms laws were Federal. I wasn't aware that the background checks and age restrictions were up to the individual states.?
Federal laws are the minimum, states have always been free to impose stricter standards, can set the age limit higher than in Federal law.
I don't think age restrictions are the issue. The problems in my opinion...
-The legality of any device that can turn a semi-auto into an auto (well doesn't turn them automatic, but they mimic an automatic) and high capacity clips. These should become illegal at a federal level so it's enforced in every state.
-In some states a person can get a semi-auto rifle in less time than it takes to have a meal in a sit down restaurant like Florida.
-Background checks are done in a rush and are not thorough enough. There should be a minimum delay of 3 business days before the completion of a sale and delivery of rifles and shot guns. For semi auto rifles and all handguns it should be a minimum of 5 business days.
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Originally Posted by dude1984
I don't think age restrictions are the issue. The problems in my opinion...
-The legality of any device that can turn a semi-auto into an auto (well doesn't turn them automatic, but they mimic an automatic) and high capacity clips. These should become illegal at a federal level so it's enforced in every state.
-In some states a person can get a semi-auto rifle in less time than it takes to have a meal in a sit down restaurant like Florida.
-Background checks are done in a rush and are not thorough enough. There should be a minimum delay of 3 business days before the completion of a sale and delivery of rifles and shot guns. For semi auto rifles and all handguns it should be a minimum of 5 business days.
Let's get some clarifications on what you suggest as far as why and the purpose.
The device you refer to is a bump stock. It has only been used once in a mass shooting. Most of the devices that do what bump stocks do are already illegal, at least in Ca.
I've seen people use rubber bands to mimic a bumpstock so I'm not sure what good it would do.
Rather than use the typical anti gun term of "high capacity clips" which is incorrect because we are referring to magazines, not clips, what constitutes a high capacity? When you ask to ban them you will get resistance because you are not specific which leaves that law to be open to interpretation and abuse. 50 rounds? 40 rounds? 20 rounds? 2 rounds?
Now that you mention background checks and waits, why? What do the extra days have to do with anything? You need to justify the extra time. Now if you want something checked on the buyer, say what you want. Don't make a statement like background checks are not thorough enough, say what needs to be checked specifically.
BTW in California you have to wait 10 days to pick up any firearm after you buy it and submit paperwork for the check. Didn't stop the San Bernardino Massacre of 14 killed and 22 injured or the 2014 Isla Vista massacre of 6 people killed and 14 injured-(half were killed not with a gun but with knives)
Pushing for vague new laws with no logic won't change much. Plenty of laws on the books now aren't enforced fully or get countered by rights of individuals privacy etc.
I say raise the age of any gun ownership to 21. Rental car companies don't rent to people under the age of 21, why? Because they consider them a bad risk and prone to do something stupid so why do we allow the under 21 crowd to buy guns?
Pretty sure it's 25 for rental cars.
Edit: looks like it's mostly 21, but with stipulations. 25 may have been the standard in the recent past? It was when I tried to rent one several years ago (I'm 31 now).
I don't think age restrictions are the issue. The problems in my opinion...
-The legality of any device that can turn a semi-auto into an auto (well doesn't turn them automatic, but they mimic an automatic) and high capacity clips. These should become illegal at a federal level so it's enforced in every state.
-In some states a person can get a semi-auto rifle in less time than it takes to have a meal in a sit down restaurant like Florida.
-Background checks are done in a rush and are not thorough enough. There should be a minimum delay of 3 business days before the completion of a sale and delivery of rifles and shot guns. For semi auto rifles and all handguns it should be a minimum of 5 business days.
One other issue in the waiting period, this also presumes that a person does not already have a firearm: You are assuming that the person buying a gun has illegal actions in mind. If they do and already have a gun it is pointless to have them wait, they can use the gun that they already have.
And if they don't have a firearm, and have illegal intentions in mind, then all they need to do is to wait out their waiting period and then commit their illegal action.
For states that already have the instance back ground check, the reason it takes longer than 30 minutes to a hour, is the person looking to buy a firearm, they name is very similar to another persons name, and that other person might have a record. Or like in my best friends Carl's case, Carl had allot of specialized federal level access, and each time they ran his ran, all of his security clearances had to be verified again.
What are you looking for with the Increased time a "Waiting Period if you will"? Is this Waiting Period going to suddenly bring up, OH WAIT we should not sell this person a gun. With the advent of computers the search should be relatively quick, unless you are wanting to add extra steps to this process?
I don't think we should ban guns altogether but we need something to stop all this gun violence. We can start with the Parents, Police, Investigation Bureaus, Congress to do their job. There were multiple signs that something was wrong with this kid and NOTHING was done about it.
Stop jumping to your own conclusions - my point was that what works for car rentals won't work for guns so come up with another plan...and learn how to argue a whole lot better.
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Originally Posted by drinkthekoolaid
It's exactly the same.
You can't hold a manufacturer liable for what someone does with their product after it was legally sold.
Maybe you can work on your knowledge of guns, gun laws and legal regulations.
Ahhhh, no shyte - and not what I said. A car rental company didn't MANUFACTURE the car...they are leasing it. So that is COMPLETELY different since they can make you sign a contract making you responsible for damaging the car.
Now, maybe you can think about the difference between making something and renting it. You wanna rent out guns? Then maybe you can make a rental car-like contract work for ya. Otherwise, toddle off and figure something else out.
Another thing I forgot to mention is the age for Voting should also be raised to 21.
What does a kid know about politics at 18 besides what they have been told by their parents or teachers or mass media ?
Well, it is two things to this.
The first is, if one is old enough to die for their country, then they ought to have a say in how the country is operated.
Secondly, of course, the voting age is part of the Constitution; there fore to change the voting age, one has to change the Constitution.
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States should be free to set their own age limits for drinking, driving, everything but Presidential election voting
