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We animal advocates are thrilled. Other countries, such as Holland have already implemented such laws. It's a huge step after fighting for so many years on this, it's finally happening! See Animal Defense Fund for more information. There will be more information soon.
I'm against animal cruelty but am not for creating more federal crimes.
Ownership, you dont have ownership over other people so no one wants to invest when your investment can get up and walk away. We have to develop complex laws and contracts in order to ensure that we can get our investment back out of people if they default. Even as complex as the US govt is its still not enough to prevent total corruption only a few hundred years later.
Also animals dont have original sin (all animals get a free pass to heaven).
They start a thread under the guise of actual curiosity about how other people think, but it's really an excuse to moralize and tout their own self-percieved superiority.
Pardon? I didn't start anything, so I'm not sure how this "they" includes me.
I don't start threads like this because in real life, this subject doesn't come into play.
And "moralize" works both ways. If you don't fall into line, that makes you less of an "animal lover". Bull.
I don't take extreme positions, one way or the other. I don't "like" pets over humans, or humans over animals as a blanket statement. There are humans who suck and you know what, not all animals are cuddly either. I just don't see things that way. I base my feelings on each individual person, and each animal. And yes, if I saw an animal drowning I'd save it, and if I saw a human I'd save it. I wish I could save both.
Power, control, fulfillment of emotional needs one can't confront with humans. Not a fan of this line of thinking. To me, it sounds like emotional weekness.
Pardon? I didn't start anything, so I'm not sure how this "they" includes me.
I don't start threads like this because in real life, this subject doesn't come into play.
And "moralize" works both ways. If you don't fall into line, that makes you less of an "animal lover". Bull.
I don't take extreme positions, one way or the other. I don't "like" pets over humans, or humans over animals as a blanket statement. There are humans who suck and you know what, not all animals are cuddly either. I just don't see things that way. I base my feelings on each individual person, and each animal. And yes, if I saw an animal drowning I'd save it, and if I saw a human I'd save it. I wish I could save both.
I don't even know why it should be an issue.
I really dont think it is and I don’t understand the point of threads like this except to lure people in and then profess disgust and outrage at their answers (thus the moralizing and self-smugness I mentioned) To me it’s a juvenile question, which do you like better humans or animals? It’s a ridiculous question really. I’ve never known anyone who had to choose. It’s not something that reflects the way most people live their lives, choosing one or the other.
I'm against animal cruelty but am not for creating more federal crimes.
oooh, sorry for you then. We need to protect the vulnerable and we need to ensure documentation of such people who eventually move on to harm/kill humans. This is a worthy crime classification.
I know this may not be the case for a great many human beings, but I can't tell you how many times someone has said to me "I get along more with animals than I do other people".
One of my siblings likes to come over to see my cat more than they like to see me, for example (granted I don't even like me, so I sort of understand).
Is it conflict? Is it fear? What is it? Cats and dogs don't stab you in the back, or gossip about you? I know it seems like a silly topic, but to me it's kind of fascinating that fellow humans dislike their own humankind more than they do animals.
From my experiences it is not that I dislike humankind necessarily nor conflict per se, and it most certainly is not fear at all. But, life has taught me to not share too much of my opinion or life experiences but to be cordial and respectful of every newcomer I meet without getting tangled up in their lives OR their needs.
I have two very good friends, one I have known for 58 years and the other I have known for 28 years. Simply put they know me, my history, my changing attitude about life in general over the years and just about everything else there is to know about me. These relationships are open and honest between us and there is no shame or embarrassment in discussing anything and everything from A to Z. This is not to say we agree about everything but have enough respect for one another that we can agree to disagree, with respect and acceptance and no hard feelings either way.
Oddly enough we have very different lifestyles and demands on our time and I may not see them very often but when we do see one another we seem to pick up where we left off.
My animals (2 Shelties) are very much the loves of my life (besides my children, of course).
My life is calm, very peaceful and conflict free. Yes, I am the Master of My Universe!
You should not seek to be loved unconditionally. Who would want that? Such a thing, if it existed, but it really doesn’t, would be unseemly and dishonorable. To want to be loved without being someone for whom love is reasonably due is completely selfish and completely hollow.
And animals don’t love anyone. They have a survival attachment due to the fact that we have enslaved them and domesticated them for our own selfish needs. Which I’m totally fine with. But calling it love is an anthropomorphic fallacy.
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oooh, sorry for you then. We need to protect the vulnerable and we need to ensure documentation of such people who eventually move on to harm/kill humans. This is a worthy crime classification.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be law protections for animals, I just don't want the federal government codifying so many criminal laws. That should be state and local purview.
Last time I looked, no dog or cat went up on a building and started blowing innocent people away with an AK. Nor did they have to have the police come because a Collie went to a school and killed young children.
Actually Collies and Golden Retrievers kill lots of young children.
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