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Old 04-19-2020, 04:14 PM
 
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Combing through the detailed election results it looks like there always specks of blue in deep-red states. Take West Virginia for example, which one of the most deep-red states in the country. The top three towns, in population, Charleston, Huntington, and Morgantown, all had their city areas go to Hillary Clinton. Note, they are all tiny cities with Charleston being largest of them with only about 50,000.

You see the same pattern in other deep-red states like South Carolina. Where again its largest city (Columbia) has only 120,000 people but votes very democratic.

None of these cities really are urban-like you expect of a large metro packed with people. I would expect perfect kind of small cities republicans can speak to but somehow they don't manage to?



For Reference:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...38.387/-82.068

Because the Democrats in those states are likely more conservative in their politics than the national party.
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Old 04-19-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You guys have been saying this for YEARS and it never actually happened. People were celebrating in 2008 that the GOP was officially dead, but 8 years later Donald Trump of all people was elected president.
I invite to to review the title of this thread.
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The Democratic party probably could be stronger, but they spend too much time appealing to the far left fringe and it turns off a lot of middle of the road people. If the GOP weren't tainted by Trump and his ilk +disappointing fake conservatives, they'd probably be unstoppable right now.

pull-EEZ!

The GOP 100% backs every tRump move and every tRump utterance.

The GOP and tRump are inseparable.

A match made in hea... er... someplace.

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Old 04-19-2020, 05:52 PM
 
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I invite to to review the title of this thread.



pull-EEZ!

The GOP 100% backs every tRump move and every tRump utterance.

The GOP and tRump are inseparable.

A match made in hea... er... someplace.

pullEEZ!

The GOP tried and failed to kill Trump's candidacy.

Then after he was elected, a whole bunch of never-Trumpers got booted from the House. That was GOP voters fed up with them, even though it meant the Dems took over the House. People didn't really think it through, obviously.

But I believe either this year or in two years from now, the GOP will take back the House.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:35 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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It makes complete sense, ideologically.

In cities, guns are mostly owned and used by criminals. One of the strongest arguments I ever heard in favor of the right to bear arms, had to do with actual bears. A city girl I am, I've never in my life felt safer because someone was there who had a gun. But I talk to people who live in the country, especially since I moved to Rocky Mountain states, and there is actual dangerous wildlife out there. Things that can kill you, easily. I think if I lived out in the forest, I might actually want a gun. Not to mention the fact that, like in the film, "A Clockwork Orange" if some miscreant(s) ever came to your remote country dwelling and broke in intending you harm, the police are a long ways away. You're kind of one your own.

In cities, even medium to small cities, people are more used to relying on and needing infrastructure. The idea that you have to pay taxes if you want to HAVE infrastructure is part of their normal.

In cities, since there are more humans around you, one must adjust one's thinking to accommodate them lest they live in perpetual conflict with their many neighbors. It is more likely that you will know many people who are not exactly like you. Coming from many backgrounds. And when you know people in person, you humanize them. You see their suffering, the fact that the way they are is due to the life that brought them there. You come to understand that we can only get along if we can live and let live.

An ideology of "Look, dress, act, worship, and be just like me, or I'll perceive you as a threat and want you run out of my community" does not fly in the city. Not to mention that in a city, most people do not own the homes they live in. So the whole "This is MY land and I'm gonna defend my own, don't you take my money, and keep the government outta my business" mindset makes a lot less sense.

And in the modern Republican party, I find that a schoolyard bully mindset is celebrated. I was shocked when I mentioned this to my brother, who is a conservative Christian and a school teacher, and he chucked and said, "Yeah. Well, we needed a bully to stand up to the Democrats." Bullying in a city is more likely to end in somebody getting shot. Bullying in the country is a time honored tradition. Where Biff the football player in his glory days got the prettiest cheerleader because it's the natural order of whitebread John-Cougar-Mellencamp's-Ain't-That-America-Home-of-The-Free-Yeah. In the city, the poor would put a bullet in him and the rich would roll their eyes and call him pretentious and stupid.

Honestly if America ever went to the popular vote, where the basic majority of American voices speaking chose our leaders, the Republicans would be boned. It's the electoral college giving rural areas more weight that even gives them a shot.

But when I talk to people who live where there are actual bears and mountain lions and (more dangerous than you'd think) elk and so on... I do worry that going to a system that shuts them out and ignores their needs could be a problem.

But you know, what it comes to for me is the question of who is willing to walk their talk. Because if the GOP actually stood for limited federal power and more states' rights, the way that many adherents think, I could probably support them more. But they would push policy on city people that country people want, even if the city people find it odious. Country people fear the same. Both sides THINK that they are "live and let live" but to some extent, neither one actually is.

This is awesome.....one of the best comments I've ever seen here!
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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pullEEZ!
Original!
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The GOP tried and failed to kill Trump's candidacy.

Then after he was elected, a whole bunch of never-Trumpers got booted from the House. That was GOP voters fed up with them, even though it meant the Dems took over the House. People didn't really think it through, obviously.
Every Pub in congress supported him on just about every single issue the past 3.5 years.

They're 100% on board with that swine.

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But I believe either this year or in two years from now, the GOP will take back the House.
Hang on to that dream.


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Old 04-19-2020, 10:00 PM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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Heaven help us if Trump doesn't win! I think he'll win. He never thought the virus was a hoax. There are no "red" states that are leaning toward Biden - you've gotta be KIDDING!!!

You are grossly misinformed; I suggest you stop abusing your brain with Washington Post and CNN and read the facts.
Trump thinks we're idiots. We've been recording him downplaying the coronavirus since Jan. 18th. Mar. 17th, he's now calling it a Pandemic
https://youtu.be/ch7_t2Ri2Zg
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Fox Views was on the same page as Trump. They so desperately wanted to defend him that Fox News also said the coronavirus was also a hoax. One reporter got fired for this, while the rest were told stop saying that. The Murdoch family who owns Fox News were themselves practicing social distancing while their reporters were telling their viewers that it was a hoax. Let that sink in.
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Also, people get their news from a variety of sources. It'd be like someone saying his Toyota dealer thinks the best deals on ANY vehicle is from Toyota. No need to comparison shop
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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This is a seriously ignorant quote. To incorrectly construe the song that contains the lyrics “Ain't-That-America-Home-of-The-Free” (Pink Houses) in such an incorrect, flippant manner speaks volumes about your complete lack of understanding of the artist. You’re as tone deaf as Ronald Reagan was when he wanted to use the song for his campaign and Mellencamp basically told him “hell no”.
Yeah, I know. In my head that was part of the joke.

It sounds ignorant because tone does not convey, but I was being...snarky/ironic with my use of that song, as others in the past thought it was this patriotic anthem, and it's actually kinda the opposite.

Glad somebody picked up on that, even if you did not see my intentions with it.
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Old 04-20-2020, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't think so. That post is meant as is... that the stimulus benefits corporations more, and that Trump's tax cuts years back went mostly to corporations. Middle class got screwed.
Your post doesn't make sense because you made it up. How does the middle class get screwed when an overwhelmingly majority got tax cuts? Are you that uninformed you didn't know that? If so don't comment. Are you that much of a partisan that you don't care about the truth? if so don't comment.
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Old 04-20-2020, 08:03 PM
 
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Your post doesn't make sense because you made it up. How does the middle class get screwed when an overwhelmingly majority got tax cuts? Are you that uninformed you didn't know that? If so don't comment. Are you that much of a partisan that you don't care about the truth? if so don't comment.
Don't spend it all in one place!

I personally haven't had a raise in four years. However, my employer's CEO used the 2017 tax cut to buy back shares of company stock, which ran up the price, then sold his own holdings for an extra $200,000 before the stock price sank back down to its normal level. Good times for the American worker!
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Old 04-21-2020, 08:17 AM
 
Location: New York
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The individual tax cuts are set to expire after 2025, with a possible net increase by 2027 while the corporate ones are permanent. But don't worry, we have the government's word that they won't let the individual tax cuts expire! So that's totally comforting.

My tax bill went up by $10k last year but that's because I have no dependent children and live in a high-tax region where I itemized my deductions and got screwed by the SALT deduction cap and elimination of most of the deductions I used. Most people don't care about that. The tax cuts appeared to be aimed largely at people who take the standard deduction and have a small number of dependent children (I think larger families may have benefited more from the personal exemptions which were eliminated).
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