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BLM isn't really an organization in any meaningful way, it's more of a sentiment. Anyone can say they're BLM or carry a poster saying BLM. I'm sure most of the looters would identify with the sentiment, so it's not an 'either/or' type situation.
I have seen a writing by a dude who claims he has run the "Antifa" facebook group for years, that there is no organization, no dues, no meetings, no signing up, it's an ideology rather than an organization. The right does not believe that.
I've seen reports and coverage (including people I actually know and trust, not just "the news") claiming that there are a number of far right or alt-right people showing up to sow chaos at these protests, too.
In all fairness, I think that extremists, agitators, and trouble-makers are a minority of our society on ANY side, no matter what color team jersey they purport to wear or what slogan they chant. Why do you think that most of the looters would identify with the sentiment? Are you suggesting that it's mostly black people doing the looting/rioting? I've seen a lot of raw footage of white people looting. Even the guy who was interviewed by Fox in a post upthread said he only "yeah kinda" cared about the killing of George Floyd, he was above all looting to try and get some money.
You don't have to be a criminal mastermind to see opportunity in chaos. When the stock market crashed in March, I bought stock, which I held, and sold when it bounced up, and made a little money. When I was in a mosh pit some years back, wanting to be front row on the barricade, and the vocalist for Municipal Waste called for people to non-stop crowd surf in a "wall of death" I took advantage of the chaos of all those crowd surfers, to duck down, grab the rail and haul myself up on it, displacing some dudes who had been guarding that space like their lives depended on it...and me, a petite little woman! Where there is chaos, there is opportunity.
But the stakes can be pretty high for trying to take your shot, especially in this particular situation. The people looting seem to have decided they don't have much to lose, or they have more faith in getting away with things than I do. Not all opportunities are really worth seizing in my opinion.
Anyways, I hope that they really research the backgrounds and motives of the troublemakers they arrest. I wish I could believe that they would credibly inform the public as to who was behind the worst of it. But I've got a feeling that a.) they won't, and b.) if they did, anyone who didn't want to believe it because people causing trouble were actually on their "side" of some agenda, would just call it fake news and disregard it. Seems like everyone does that when it's something they don't want to hear now. I wonder if any of us actually believe even mostly things that are actually TRUE anymore, no matter how hard we as individuals, are trying.
I have seen a writing by a dude who claims he has run the "Antifa" Facebook group for years, that there is no organization, no dues, no meetings, no signing up, it's an ideology rather than an organization. The right does not believe that.
I've seen reports and coverage (including people I actually know and trust, not just "the news") claiming that there are a number of far right or alt-right people showing up to sow chaos at these protests, too.
In all fairness, I think that extremists, agitators, and trouble-makers are a minority of our society on ANY side, no matter what color team jersey they purport to wear or what slogan they chant. Why do you think that most of the looters would identify with the sentiment? Are you suggesting that it's mostly black people doing the looting/rioting? I've seen a lot of raw footage of white people looting. Even the guy who was interviewed by Fox in a post upthread said he only "yeah kinda" cared about the killing of George Floyd, he was above all looting to try and get some money.
You don't have to be a criminal mastermind to see opportunity in chaos. When the stock market crashed in March, I bought stock, which I held, and sold when it bounced up, and made a little money. When I was in a mosh pit some years back, wanting to be front row on the barricade, and the vocalist for Municipal Waste called for people to non-stop crowd surf in a "wall of death" I took advantage of the chaos of all those crowd surfers, to duck down, grab the rail and haul myself up on it, displacing some dudes who had been guarding that space like their lives depended on it...and me, a petite little woman! Where there is chaos, there is opportunity.
But the stakes can be pretty high for trying to take your shot, especially in this particular situation. The people looting seem to have decided they don't have much to lose, or they have more faith in getting away with things than I do. Not all opportunities are really worth seizing in my opinion.
Anyways, I hope that they really research the backgrounds and motives of the troublemakers they arrest. I wish I could believe that they would credibly inform the public as to who was behind the worst of it. But I've got a feeling that a.) they won't, and b.) if they did, anyone who didn't want to believe it because people causing trouble were actually on their "side" of some agenda, would just call it fake news and disregard it. Seems like everyone does that when it's something they don't want to hear now. I wonder if any of us actually believe even mostly things that are TRUE anymore, no matter how hard we as individuals, are trying.
All "AntiFa" means is "Anti-Fascist" - It's an ideology, not a fraternal organization, or a political club.
It began in Nazi Germany, Spain, and Italy when fascism began to rise in the thirties and forties.
Unlike the Klan, they don't have Klaverns, pay dues, or support a political party.
Remember in our country when everyone hated Nazis? I do.
Good times...
To be AntFa, one only needs to disdain fascists. I do disdain fascists. So I am AntiFa.
To be AntFa, one only needs to disdain fascists. I do disdain fascists. So I am AntiFa.
Very simple stuff.
I distain fascism. But I don’t go around vandalizing and looting stores, defacing national monuments, setting cars on fire and beating strangers with iron bars.
Therefore, I am not antifa. And you shouldn’t be either if you know what’s good for you.
As I posted elsewhere on the forums, I knew and was friendly with Antifa people growing up. Back then I would have said I was a moderate socialist. I was by far the least leftist person in the circle. Antifa groups can't always be exactly ideologically pinpointed, but the typical group is some form of anarchist though I'm sure there's some orthodox Marxists-Leninists, Maoists, Trotzkists and plenty of people with a random mix of Far Left ideas. In general though you've gotta be some variety of what used to be called a "commie" to be in Antifa.
You have to remember that it's always been a communist tactic to call whatever Moscow disapproved of at a given time 'fascists'. For a good amount of time they called socialists and other leftists who didn't toe the party line "fascists" as well. You can always be anti-fascist if everyone against you is a fascist. It's a transparent trick, yet here we are 90 years later and people still fall for it.
And for many -- a life to live at someone else's expense.
But in fairness, the world of work has also, in some instances, morphed into a demanding monster, driven by an ove-sheltered, demanding clientele who expect too much while living on transfer payments, and (probably) a clique of closeted sadists who get their jollies from too much power -- "cracking the whip" -- in positions of authority.
If "real" per person GNP is, just as an example, twice what it was in the Fifties, a responsible person ought to be able to live just as well while spending only half as much time in the regimen of the workplace; or we could go ta 4-shift, 6-hour workday (Time and 1/2 -- maybe only time and1/3 for overtime? -- absolutely, and strictly enforced; the "straight salary" trap should be more closely-policed. if not outlawed. And many younger workers will be eager to get it!)
But this would inconvenience all the "trailing spouses", youngsters, oldsters, and others who drive a "consumerist" economy -- and Korporate Amerika would be scared stiff of it, since middle managers and the like build their deceptions on promising "promotion" (straight salary, of course) to three, and delivering to one -- along with the opportunity to grow a new set of ulcers.
What I've just proposed is, admittedly, an oversimplification. But I think it points toward the cause of much of the discontent in the modern workplace; and remember, despite huge increases in productivity, the basic rules haven't been eased in roughly 100 years.
Excerpt: But I think it points toward the cause of much of the discontent
Response: from my point of view..only to those who do not wish to assimilate.
Excerpt: the basic rules haven't been eased in roughly 100 years.
Response: from my point of view..basic rules of congregating around God ,Family and Community have not changed in over
400 years as well. Cyclical and Successful. One has only to assimilate.....but No!.....to radical to some who prefer to disrupt
and upset the components of a well oiled machine. The results seen on global T.V. All successful societies revolve around
the honey beehive mentality. The only difference is that Americans are fortunate to be afforded choice. Answer is simple.
Assimilate or Disintegrate.
Best wishes to loner Bumble bees..........
All "AntiFa" means is "Anti-Fascist" - It's an ideology, not a fraternal organization, or a political club.
It began in Nazi Germany, Spain, and Italy when fascism began to rise in the thirties and forties.
Unlike the Klan, they don't have Klaverns, pay dues, or support a political party.
Remember in our country when everyone hated Nazis? I do.
Good times...
To be AntFa, one only needs to disdain fascists. I do disdain fascists. So I am AntiFa.
Very simple stuff.
Excerpt: So I am AntiFa.
Response: From my perspective Antifa comprises of indoctrinated socialists insurrectionists bent on criminal behavior
and lashing out at the world. Graduating the confines of their little college campuses find life outside the four walls of the professors classroom to be not the huggy feely fraternities they once belonged to but a Eat or be Eaten world and very complex environment to hostile to face. Rather than take up the challenge as did their forefathers many choose to cower and return to the belly of their mommy and daddy's basement where they live out the rest of their days in isolation. Self imprisonment.
Your Life Your Choice.
It seems to me that if you don't like the way things are being run in your town, you write a letter to your alderman, you vote for a different mayor next election, etc. ..You don't incite a crowd to burn buildings and loot stores.
How does mob activity impress the mainstream populace that your group consists of responsible citizens deserving of more respect? Doesn't it actually prove their point that you don't?
BTW- how is black jacket, pants, knit cap and face mask different than white robe & pointed hat? Who funds these guys that they have so much time to travel from state to state to exert their influence? The Klan was always locals.
Riots are started by outsiders and we don't know who they are or what their motives are. Are they white supremicists who want to make black people look bad? Is there some sort of money in it for them? Who knows?
There's a lot of pent of anger in black people anyway. They aren't treated fairly. And to have some extreme left or extreme right group egging them on, getting them to riot and loot serves some sort of purpose for them.
I don't think that is quite it. It was said in L. A. that many of those in custody were black and from areas of Southern CA, though originally thought to be those from outside of. However, technically they are "from elsewhere" since not on the same page mentally or elsewise as ones actually protesting, no matter what ethnicity or political affiliation (which I doubt is a focus for some). They were only opportunists. Now we hear of attempts to sell the items having been stolen. What kind of mind does these things?
It's true that there is a lot of anger and unfortunate circumstances for some, sadly. It has to do with not being raised in an environment in order to learn to function properly (due to those having children when they are inappropriate for, being too commonplace). Not to divert, but this creates a negative chain of events for kids having no guidance, living in poverty, turning to crime..then having children, themselves. Yet another kid from any background, even if poor, bypasses becoming involved in such activities, due to the kind of structure and influence existing for them and knowing right from wrong.
So how do we have that change to stop creating this mess? There is no controlling who has children, how they will be treated and how they will end up within society.
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