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The entire movement lacks strategic focus. They've thrown in everything including the kitchen sink.
IF (a big if) their objective is to stop police from murdering people -- for example, in the way that Floyd was killed -- the fastest way to get that is to demand an end to public sector union protection of law enforcement officers.
By itself, that is sufficient.
If public sector law enforcement unions were banned, then management would no longer be forced via collective bargaining to provide the types of protections that allow rogue police officers to avoid losing their jobs and avoid criminal prosecution for rogue behaviour.
That's it. That's all that needs to be done. The day after police know there is no union to protect them from their own crimes, each officer will change his/her behaviour.
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And honestly..given that a lot of them appear to be convinced that cops are basically racist death squads..why would they respect them? Would Jews be expected to respect Nazi stormtroopers?
The entire movement lacks strategic focus. They've thrown in everything including the kitchen sink.
IF (a big if) their objective is to stop police from murdering people -- for example, in the way that Floyd was killed -- the fastest way to get that is to demand an end to public sector union protection of law enforcement officers.
By itself, that is sufficient.
If public sector law enforcement unions were banned, then management would no longer be forced via collective bargaining to provide the types of protections that allow rogue police officers to avoid losing their jobs and avoid criminal prosecution for rogue behaviour.
That's it. That's all that needs to be done. The day after police know there is no union to protect them from their own crimes, each officer will change his/her behaviour.
If you believe that, you know nothing about the profession, obviously.
If you believe that, you know nothing about the profession, obviously.
Please enlighten me.
If LEO unions are dismantled & banned, we can then have a very public culling of rogue LEOs. In so many areas of corrupt government, transparency and sunlight are the best disinfectants.
The more I think about the rallies, protests, rioting, looting, burning and general anarchy the more I think that the problem is not with the Police but in the Black community itself.
They tell us that Black Lives Matter but there are instances when they don't such as when a black gangsta shoots a rival black gangsta.. No one cares. Or when some idiot caught up in the mob mentality takes his destructive path to far and a black cop dies. No one cares. Where are the tears, the marches the somber (pandering) politicians taking a knee to honor that fallen cop?
Why does it only matter when a Black thug is killed by the cops? Like it or not the Police were called out because Floyd was trying to break the law or he was causing enough concern to someone for them to call 911. Floyd then resisted arrest and it was just his luck to have a sadistic cop kneel on his neck.
Those are the facts and America is burning because of it.
I feel bad for Floyd, it was a terrible way to die but I feel more sadness for the black cops that are just doing their jobs and are targeted by the mob and I feel even worse for the innocent black victims forced to live in the inner cities that get caught in the cross fire of some stupid gang war.
Why do only certain Black Lives Matter and other ones don't?
I think ALL Lives Matter and until the Black community can stop killing their own we shouldn't give them any power over America with new laws that would endanger us all especially when the man they all rally behind was a bad man that met an even worse cop.
If LEO unions are dismantled & banned, we can then have a very public culling of rogue LEOs. In so many areas of corrupt government, transparency and sunlight are the best disinfectants.
The unions are the only thing protecting good police officers from a vengeful public.
Suppose you stop someone for speeding and it turns out to be a city council member who has some authority over the local PD. They can ruin your career. The union however will stand up for you.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of such incidents every year. You can see lots of them on Youtube.
I'm not saying all cops are angels; far from it. They have their share of corruption, dirty cops on the take, etc.
The problem is, you can't distinguish between the good ones and the bad ones, and the good ones can end up taking abuse unfairly. People who are putting their lives on the line deserve to be treated well.
Unions protect police & firefighters from politicians. Without it, a political appointee commissioner can make everyone's life hell. With a union, the police have a voice and can stand up to crooked politicians and their creatures.
I'm generally opposed to public unions, but in this particular case, there's some good reasons they exist.
The unions are the only thing protecting good police officers from a vengeful public.
Suppose you stop someone for speeding and it turns out to be a city council member who has some authority over the local PD. They can ruin your career. The union however will stand up for you.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of such incidents every year. You can see lots of them on Youtube.
I'm not saying all cops are angels; far from it. They have their share of corruption, dirty cops on the take, etc.
The problem is, you can't distinguish between the good ones and the bad ones, and the good ones can end up taking abuse unfairly. People who are putting their lives on the line deserve to be treated well.
Unions protect police & firefighters from politicians. Without it, a political appointee commissioner can make everyone's life hell. With a union, the police have a voice and can stand up to crooked politicians and their creatures.
I'm generally opposed to public unions, but in this particular case, there's some good reasons they exist.
To some extent they protect good teachers from retribution by nasty bureaucrats and vengeful parents. But they also protect incompetent teachers from being fired.
Most charter schools aren't unionized, and they boast better outcomes, so maybe the unions hurt more than they help.
This is an incredibly tone deaf question. Are you not paying attention at all?
-Ban on choke holds
-Racial sensitivity training
-increased police accountability
Do any of these seem unreasonable?
These are very reasonable requests and I would add Stop committing crimes.
The Police can be trained and trained and held accountable for everything they do but what should also be done is to educate the kids how to avoid negative Police interactions.
There has been so much talk of defunding Police Departments and using the money for community outreach etc..
I think we need to do better and go right to the source of so much of the problems and that is the kids that grow up to be thugs and goons with a one way ticket to jail.
The best way to avoid a deadly run in with the Police is to not break the law.
Kids need to be taught that the Police are not the enemy but there is a certain element in our country that is very willing to paint them all with the broad brush of accused racism. Why? Why can't the upcoming generation be taught not to fear the cops, not to break the law and not to resist arrest if they do come for you. George FLoyd was breaking the law and that is why the cops were called out. He might not even have known that he was but then why did he resist forcing the cops to up their force?
This is such a common theme and it can be stopped if the kids are taught not to fight.
Black people might be at a disadvantage when it comes to avoiding the Police because the Police patrol their neighborhoods more so than many white neighborhoods across the country but they patrol the areas that have more crime. If you want the Police out of your community then STOP committing crimes.
We can train our Police to be more sensitive to the people they interact with but we should also be training people to stop their criminal activities and there will be no need for Police to come down on them.
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