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Old 07-13-2020, 08:36 PM
 
Location: NH
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It's not me it's you propoganda has been forcing people to wear masks by playing a guilt trip on them. I know people the whole heartedly disagree but "play the game". Why should we play the game though? Don't we have the right to have different opinions? Don't we have the right to research statistical data and interpret it for ourselves? Don't we have the right to not trust the media? Why are those not wearing a mask shamed for having a different opinion? No one is arguing the validity of covid, however, the effects of testing positive are debatable because there are too many inconsistencies that don't add up. As concerned citizens, we should be asking why instead of drinking the Koolaid without knowing whats in it.

 
Old 07-13-2020, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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The thing is, Group 2 ("the sky is falling") is extremely powerful: they own all the MSM channels, they flood the advertising billboards, and they get sponsored by the Democratic Party. (I don't know any anti-Covid groups that the Republican Party sponsors.) So Group 1 ("exaggerated") and Group 3 ("hoax") start to form an alliance with each other to help push back against Group 2. This results in a partial merging of the two groups; they don't care so much about their ally's actual opinion, as about the Democrats hijacking Corona to rig the election and their lack of concern with people's mental health.

To answer your action question, the longer Group 1 sees the inflated statistics put out by Group 2, which contradict what actually happens in real life (hospital parking lots are empty), the more they start believing that Corona never existed in the first place (Group 3).
LOL, I think you need a better example to make your case here. Hospital parking lots WOULD EXACTLY be empty if the hospital was full of coronavirus patients. Patients who were sick enough to need hospital care likely didn't drive themselves to the ER. No one can visit anyone in the hospital.

Who would be parking there?
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Old 07-14-2020, 01:17 AM
 
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LOL, I think you need a better example to make your case here. Hospital parking lots WOULD EXACTLY be empty if the hospital was full of coronavirus patients. Patients who were sick enough to need hospital care likely didn't drive themselves to the ER. No one can visit anyone in the hospital.

Who would be parking there?
The morgue trailers are parked there. Or at least they were during the initial outbreak before New York State started taking measures to bring down the number of deaths. My local hospital needed two morgue trailers (kept cool with generators continually going) to accommodate the unprecedented number of bodies waiting for the morticians to pick them up. Before COVID, the hospital morgue alone had the capacity for holding bodies from anticipated deaths in the hospital.
 
Old 07-14-2020, 02:18 AM
 
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LOL, I think you need a better example to make your case here. Hospital parking lots WOULD EXACTLY be empty if the hospital was full of coronavirus patients. Patients who were sick enough to need hospital care likely didn't drive themselves to the ER. No one can visit anyone in the hospital.

Who would be parking there?
Yup, I can confirm that the local hospital parking lot is empty as heck. And that is because there are no visitors allowed. When my GF was in the hospital, there were lots of patients, but hardly anyone in the parking lot.
 
Old 07-14-2020, 05:49 AM
 
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The media coverage of this virus reminds me of the deal dash commercials. They only show the outrageous deals that a few outliers actually get making you think you will also get a similar deal. Truth is that it is highly unlikely, it's just a tactic to draw you in much like the media focuses on the few outrageously bad cases of covid and paints the picture that every case will end that way. Just a tactic to draw you in and get you to do what they want out of fear.
 
Old 07-14-2020, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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The media coverage of this virus reminds me of the deal dash commercials. They only show the outrageous deals that a few outliers actually get making you think you will also get a similar deal. Truth is that it is highly unlikely, it's just a tactic to draw you in much like the media focuses on the few outrageously bad cases of covid and paints the picture that every case will end that way. Just a tactic to draw you in and get you to do what they want out of fear.
I'll repeat what I said earlier:

To use a gambling metaphor, if I could gamble in a game where I could just show up with any amount to play where my odds were 100:1 (1%) to win $1 million or 40:1 (2.5%) to win $250k, I'd be RICH and the casino would be bankrupt.

Current CDC rates of mortality and hospitalizations are more than that: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...iew/index.html
 
Old 07-14-2020, 06:15 AM
 
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I'll repeat what I said earlier:

To use a gambling metaphor, if I could gamble in a game where I could just show up with any amount to play where my odds were 100:1 (1%) to win $1 million or 40:1 to win $250k (2.5%), I'd be RICH and the casino would be bankrupt.

Current CDC rates of mortality and hospitalizations are more than that: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...iew/index.html
Point is, everyone is willing to accept a different level of risk. High risk to one, may not be so high risk to someone else, however, the media pulls on the strings of those not willing to accept the risk in order to use them to further their skewed agenda.
 
Old 07-14-2020, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Point is, everyone is willing to accept a different level of risk. High risk to one, may not be so high risk to someone else, however, the media pulls on the strings of those not willing to accept the risk in order to use them to further their skewed agenda.
What is higher risk than that?

To put it into context.

Your risk of death from a car accident any given year is about 8000:1. From a motorcycle accident about 1000:1. With attendant higher risks for injury in both. Still a lot less than 100:1.

What's more risky than riding a motorcycle? Catching covid19. By quite a lot.
 
Old 07-14-2020, 06:25 AM
 
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Just a different perspective, which is ok. I just don't want one viewpoint to dictate the whole, which is why I am a firm believer that if one is concerned, they should take the necessary precautions but not mandate it for everyone.
 
Old 07-14-2020, 06:30 AM
 
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Point is, everyone is willing to accept a different level of risk. High risk to one, may not be so high risk to someone else, however, the media pulls on the strings of those not willing to accept the risk in order to use them to further their skewed agenda.
Here's a larger point. You concede there is a risk. That is the risk from catching a dangerous infectious disease. You undoubtedly think the degree to which we choose our risk should be a matter of "personal choice".

I would probably agree that if you want to jump off a bridge you have a right to expose yourself to that level of risk. I would agree if you wanted to drink too much alcohol or smoke too much dope you should have those rights too as long as you don't engage in an activity like driving that will effect others.

What I don't agree with is that you have right to around possibly exposing others to the risk of catching that disease by engaging in risky activities and than not wearing a mask. The difference is the one activity affects only you and the second activity potentially endangers others.

My second point is that you are constantly accusing the media of pursuing a "skewed agenda" and distorting reality. What I don't see is you taking issue with specific facts. Try these:

1. 135,615 Americans (as of today) have died from coronavirus in about four months.
2. Thirty-seven states health departments are reporting an increase in cases of coronavirus.
3. Forty eight hospitals in Florida (as of today) have reached full capacity in their ICU units because of coronavirus.
4. We are seeing upwards of 60,000 new cases of coronavirus a day across the USA.

Which of these statistics is wrong or falsely reported? What statistics have I not mentioned that you believe are being distorted?

What you don't face is that the whole "personal responsibility thing" doesn't work well as a model when it comes to infectious disease. More sophisticated thinking is necessary when you can spread a deadly disease when you are entirely asymptomatic.
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