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You could argue that women have a worse lot than men as a whole. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is then that's not fair.
Yeah, I think statements like women always have it harder then women are counterproductive and it isn't clear that they are accurate for at least 2 reasons: 1) life experiences/opportunities/challenges differ so much across individuals that it is hard to talk about the average man or the average woman. It is sort of like the American family with 2.2 kids. A women born to an upper class family will have more opportunities/access to resources than a man born to a working class family.
2) Women face challenges in many areas, but in many areas men have it worse on average.
Men have higher suicide rates, shorter life expediencies, 10x as many men were killed at work, there are huge disparities in criminal justice stats, men are far more likely to be murder victims, etc. Men are generally expected to provide protection in dangerous situations. People are more likely to save women than men, etc.
So I don't think it is useful to make sweeping generalizations that men have it so easy or to act like they are all members of a privileged oppressor class.
But,it is undeniable that women face lots of unique challenges in life. Women generally have lower incomes, and are less likely to be in socially dominant positions, often responsible for more unpaid domestic labor. Rape/domestic violence, single parenthood all fall disproportionately on women. Female doctors are often mistake for nurses and vice versa. Being strong and aggressive is rewarded for men, but viewed as off putting for women. Read the politics forums on here. Not hard to find liberal women as B..tchy, shrill, unlikable. Clearly there are lots of areas where women are uniquely or disproportionately disadvantaged in society.
Rather than moralizing about male privilege, misogyny and debating who has it harder. I think we need more solution oriented dialogue and less of the woke moralizing, such as "Guess who's perpetuating all of these kinds of actions? It's the men in this country, and I just want to say to the men in this country: Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing, for a change," https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-...ry?id=57920219
I prefer we just focus on identifying social problems and work on solutions to fix them. A poster earlier linked to a report about the Supreme Court Justices interrupting each other, with the male justices interrupting more than the female justices. The Supreme Court adopted a new way to conduct oral arguments to cut down in justices interpreting each other. It is a good process reform on its own right and cuts down on the fact that men tend to interrupt female justices more.
Lots of states have considered laws to allow greater pay transparency/ ban companies from asking how much you currently make. The idea is that women tend to earn less, so companies will also tend to offer them less money at hiring. But, those also help lower paid men.
Do you have a proposed solution to your original question? What is your over arching argument and what do you want to see realistically happen? sincerely.
Step one recognize misogyny exists, it is real, and it is harmful to women and hinders their success in life, and also manifests in violence toward and death to women. If half the population cannot succeed to their full potential we will not succeed as acsociety.
Step two, ensure women have equal rights and control over their bodies and their life.
Step one recognize misogyny exists, it is real, and it is harmful to women and hinders their success in life, and also manifests in violence toward and death to women. If half the population cannot succeed to their full potential we will not succeed as acsociety.
Step two, ensure women have equal rights and control over their bodies and their life.
It exists, most in this thread including myself, acknowledge this.
Your step 2 is too vague. Like “achieve world peace”, “save the planet”. “End racism”. Do you have an actual argument, solution or at least suggestion? Men are going to do what they’ve always done. Just like White people, or the wealthy. What is your SOLUTION besides “men be good”, because they won’t. Do you honestly have one?
It exists, most in this thread including myself, acknowledge this.
Your step 2 is too vague. Like “achieve world peace”, “save the planet”. “End racism”. Do you have an actual argument, solution or at least suggestion? Men are going to do what they’ve always done. Just like White people, or the wealthy. What is your SOLUTION besides “men be good”, because they won’t. Do you honestly have one?
Make abortion legal and safe and protect abortion rights from state control, and keep this women’s health issue between the woman and her doctor. The constant attack on abortion rights and closing of womens health clinics is dangerous to women’s health and safety. This is legislation that should be done and not dictated by politics or religion.
Treat sexual harrassment seriously and prosecute.
Treat domestic violence serously and prosecute.
Address rape cases seriously and timely
and prosecute.
Provide safe working spaces for all, free from harrasment and intimidation.
Provide free child care so women can work and children are safe.
Support women running for office.
Promte women to Board rooms.
Make abortion legal and safe and protect abortion rights from state control, and keep this women’s health issue between the woman and her doctor. The constant attack on abortion rights and closing of womens health clinics is dangerous to women’s health and safety. This is legislation that should be done and not dictated by politics or religion.
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Support women running for office.
Promte women to Board rooms.
Provide free child care so women can work and children are safe.[1]
Treat sexual harrassment seriously and prosecute.
Treat domestic violence serously and prosecute.
Address rape cases seriously and timely
and prosecute.
Provide safe working spaces for all, free from harrasment and intimidation.
[2]
the ones in group 1 are stuff people vote on. There are more women than men in most places, so vote it in!
the group 2 ones are things that everyone wants. What are metrics we can use to measure progress on these issues? How will we know when success is achieved?
Make abortion legal and safe and protect abortion rights from state control, and keep this women’s health issue between the woman and her doctor. The constant attack on abortion rights and closing of womens health clinics is dangerous to women’s health and safety. This is legislation that should be done and not dictated by politics or religion.
Treat sexual harrassment seriously and prosecute.
Treat domestic violence serously and prosecute.
Address rape cases seriously and timely
and prosecute.
Provide safe working spaces for all, free from harrasment and intimidation.
Provide free child care so women can work and children are safe.
Support women running for office.
Promte women to Board rooms.
So why, in the name of Rachel Maddow, haven’t they done it so far? There’s a Democratic House and Senate with a Democratic President. This all sounds good on a forum, but it won’t happen if it hasn’t already. The *only* way this can possibly happen is for pretty much everybody to vote for one party so that there is no opposition. OP, you KNOW this isn’t going to happen especially with powerful lobbyists.
Also, there are too many women (let’s not even mention men) who don’t vote this way, who live in bright red districts who never go for any of what you’ve listed. We can argue as to why, but the fact is they don’t. California is not a political representation of the country.
Any progress made on any of this better happen before 2022, because very likely the House and possibly Senate will flip, then what? And SCOTUS is already 6-3, and won’t be expanded anytime soon.
So why, in the name of Rachel Maddow, haven’t they done it so far? There’s a Democratic House and Senate with a Democratic President. This all sounds good on a forum, but it won’t happen if it hasn’t already. The *only* way this can possibly happen is for pretty much everybody to vote for one party so that there is no opposition. OP, you KNOW this isn’t going to happen especially with powerful lobbyists.
Also, there are too many women (let’s not even mention men) who don’t vote this way, who live in bright red districts who never go for any of what you’ve listed. We can argue as to why, but the fact is they don’t. California is not a political representation of the country.
Any progress made on any of this better happen before 2022, because very likely the House and possibly Senate will flip, then what? And SCOTUS is already 6-3, and won’t be expanded anytime soon.
The fact these are so fraught is politics one, but it is also the underlying misogyny of devaluation of women and their lives. It is not easy to erase centuries of mental disease. So we persist. We demand. We use our vote, our voice.
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