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Old 04-30-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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Kind of a side note to the OP, but more common of an occurrence: What if someone using birth control gets pregnant after all?

Omaha Rocks, you speak of responsibility, and I agree, I even think that the vast majority of people who do have sex are responsible, but what level would you consider to be a sufficient attempt at not getting pregnant? (And subsequently having an abortion if you do)

In my opinion using any kind of birth control correctly, or in best intentions is being responsible, I don't know how much more you can expect.

There's a very limited amount of people in the world who looks at abortion as "just another form of birth control", and a huge percentage of women who do have an abortion takes it seriously.
That said, most abortions consists of taking a pill, going home and eventually having a bloody clot in your bed, I will always struggle to equate that to a living human.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:28 AM
 
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Kind of a side note to the OP, but more common of an occurrence: What if someone using birth control gets pregnant after all?

Omaha Rocks, you speak of responsibility, and I agree, I even think that the vast majority of people who do have sex are responsible, but what level would you consider to be a sufficient attempt at not getting pregnant? (And subsequently having an abortion if you do)

In my opinion using any kind of birth control correctly, or in best intentions is being responsible, I don't know how much more you can expect.

There's a very limited amount of people in the world who looks at abortion as "just another form of birth control", and a huge percentage of women who do have an abortion takes it seriously.
That said, most abortions consists of taking a pill, going home and eventually having a bloody clot in your bed, I will always struggle to equate that to a living human.
Actually, people lie about sex and about birth control all the time.

Years ago, I had a secretary whom had gotten pregnant & had a baby at 17. She swore up & down, "We only did it once! Just once!" Yeah right. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

The truth is that the overwhelming number of people who use contraceptives correctly will never get pregnant while using them. Shoot - there are only a few days per month when a woman can get pregnant without using any contraceptives at all.


As for medically necessary abortions? Best estimates are that less than 1% of abortions in the USA are due to rape, incest and/or endangering the life of the mother.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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Well let me ask you this then:

If a couple use one contraceptive, and still manage to get pregnant, do you think the woman shouldn't be allowed to abort that pregnancy?
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:08 PM
 
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What, exactly, are women like me supposed to do?
I think it's crazy that doctors refuse you the option of sterilization!

This is where the laws need to change. NO doctor with a license to practice medicine should be allowed to refuse to sterilize an adult, consenting human.

I think you need to shop around for a pro-female GYN who will do the job.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:29 PM
 
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There are people who will impose their values on to you with no responsibility for what consequences their imposed decisions bring. If you are one of those people that wants laws banning abortions then please adopt at least one child and make a difference, if you do not adopt then shut up and try to stop being such unreasonable, unsensible pests. Who are these people with their holier than though attitudes? Can you believe this moron who went and killed a doctor who performed abortions.... he killed a doctor, killed... what a hypocrite.
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Old 04-30-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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I think it's crazy that doctors refuse you the option of sterilization!

This is where the laws need to change. NO doctor with a license to practice medicine should be allowed to refuse to sterilize an adult, consenting human.

I think you need to shop around for a pro-female GYN who will do the job.
I think any doctor should be allowed to refuse any surgery or treatment they can't personally stand behind, be it for moral, ethical or medical reasons.

As much as I fully understand the predicament of the OP, and do agree that it's certainly an option, I don't think anyone should have the right to force a doctor to perform it if they don't think it's the right thing to do.

They have to live with their actions too you know.
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Old 04-30-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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I think any doctor should be allowed to refuse any surgery or treatment they can't personally stand behind, be it for moral, ethical or medical reasons.

As much as I fully understand the predicament of the OP, and do agree that it's certainly an option, I don't think anyone should have the right to force a doctor to perform it if they don't think it's the right thing to do.

They have to live with their actions too you know.
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm ok with being wrong.

So....where do you think a young woman in her 20s who needs sterilization should turn???

I'm just asking because I ran into this same problem myself in my 20s. It's crazy!!!

p.s. I googled "tubal ligation for young women" and found lots of debate, but no useful resources (i.e. a list of doctors who will perform the procedure). If you know of any, please DO post up!

"Crazy" because almost any MD will write a scrip for any old codger who wants Viagra. But smart, young, educated, women, who want a TL? Not so much. I smell a lawsuit.

Anyone???

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Old 04-30-2010, 06:43 PM
 
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There are people who will impose their values on to you with no responsibility for what consequences their imposed decisions bring. If you are one of those people that wants laws banning abortions then please adopt at least one child and make a difference, if you do not adopt then shut up and try to stop being such unreasonable, unsensible pests. Who are these people with their holier than though attitudes? Can you believe this moron who went and killed a doctor who performed abortions.... he killed a doctor, killed... what a hypocrite.
Thank you for that well thought-out, reasonable, intelligent and original post.

Next time, though, be sure you credit NARAL - or whoever the pin-head was you copy & pasted from.
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Old 04-30-2010, 06:59 PM
 
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I have more questions?

If the OP wants me to star another thread I will.

But, I have always wondered....and this thread brings it back to mind...

1. Where DO pro-lifers stand on the use of Viagra or other ED drugs?

2. Where do pro-lifers stand on interfering with conception re: IF or fertility drugs?

I know that lumping "pro-lifers" together is the same as asking "what do African Americans think about..." but I really am curious.

I thought that perhaps I could see some better, and hopefully, more well-reasoned responses here than in the "politics" forum".

Keep it civil please?
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Old 04-30-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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Thanks for pointing that out. I'm ok with being wrong.

So....where do you think a young woman in her 20s who needs sterilization should turn???

I'm just asking because I ran into this same problem myself in my 20s. It's crazy!!!

p.s. I googled "tubal ligation for young women" and found lots of debate, but no useful resources (i.e. a list of doctors who will perform the procedure). If you know of any, please DO post up!

"Crazy" because almost any MD will write a scrip for any old codger who wants Viagra. But smart, young, educated, women, who want a TL? Not so much. I smell a lawsuit.

Anyone???
If it's very important to you, I think you should keep looking until you find a doctor willing to perform the procedure, but try and explain to anyone you go to, the reasons why and lay it out in an intelligent manner.

That said, considering that is is very definitive, and from what I understand pretty major surgery (?) I think the OP found a good solution, with her fiancé getting a vasectomy instead, as it's reversible, and a much easier procedure.

I do understand the problem this poses to an educated young woman who's absolutely set in her mind though, but I also know that nigh on all doctors act in what they believe to be, is our best interest. I certainly wouldn't want surgery from someone who thinks what they're doing is wrong.

I have a question for you though, with birth control being as effective as it is and so widely available in various forms, what other reasons than purely medical would there be to perform this surgery?

I'm not saying it's wrong or anything I just wonder.
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